Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa14853; 20 Feb 92 3:45 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA17938 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Thu, 20 Feb 1992 01:53:33 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA02004 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Thu, 20 Feb 1992 01:53:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 01:53:20 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202200753.AA02004@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #151 TELECOM Digest Thu, 20 Feb 92 01:53:17 CST Volume 12 : Issue 151 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson RISKS of Automation (Mike Riddle) Mercury Cost Centre Codes (Nigel Roberts) Original NANP Questions (Linc Madison) You Too, Tovarich? (Peter Marshall) Competition in Service (Will Martin) FAX Protocol Specs (John T. Grieggs) 800 DA Now in Common? (Stan Brown) Sprint Responds! (Jack Winslade) Non-Local Internet Access (Kenneth Freeman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Feb 92 07:56:24 CST From: Mike.Riddle@ivgate.omahug.org (Mike Riddle) Subject: RISKS of Automation Reply-To: mike.riddle@inns.omahug.org From RISKS Digest: Date: Tue, 11 Feb 92 13:37:11 PST From: Allan.Meers@ebay.sun.com (Allan Meers - Sun Education/Professional Service Subject: Automated Phone Systems >From rec.humor, a commentary on those over-optioned automated phone answering/messaging systems. AUTOMATION IN THE 20th CENTURY By Michael J. Clark The setting is a typical bedroom, a woman is in the bed asleep, next to her bed is a night stand with an alarm clock and a telephone. Suddenly the woman awakens to the sound of a strange noise in the house, she looks around, starts to panic and then picks up her phone to call the police. Woman: (Startled and panicked, talking out loud to herself in a low tone) "I-I-I-I've got to call the police, there's someone here, oh God I know there is, let's see ... what's the number, (she nervously punches the numbers into the phone.) After a few rings the phone is answered, there is a delay, then we hear: "Welcome to our emergency phone mate 911, the automated emergency answering system, the latest in emergency response technology! If you are calling from a touch tone phone, please enter a 1 at the tone, enter now" ... (the woman looks both shocked and puzzled as she nervously punches in a "1") "Thank you, our emergency phone mate 911 recognizes that you are calling from a touch tone phone ... To serve you better your police and emergency services have set up this system to route your call to the appropriate emergency service personnel ... If you are in need of police assistance enter a 5, if you require information in Spanish, enter 7, in Chinese enter 4, in Greek enter 9, in French enter 6 or Italian enter an 8, if you wish fire or medical service enter a 3 and the corresponding numerical code for the language in which you will be speaking or in need of translation ... to repeat the previous information please enter 0 ... Enter your code now please"... (the woman, who has now gone from fear and panic to being irritated and confused enters a 5 and waits ...) "Emergency phone mate 911 recognizes that you have requested police assistance in English ... In order to better serve you, please enter the appropriate number at the tone ... a 1 if your call is not an emergency, a 2 if you need information, a 3 if you are returning a call from a police official, a 4 if you are inquiring about a parking ticket, or a 5 if this is an emergency, enter your code now"... (she shakes her head and rolls her eyes and enters a 5 quite forcefully) "Emergency phone mate 911 recognizes that you have a police emergency, please enter a 1 if it is a life threatening emergency, a 2 if it is a non life threatening emergency, a 3 if there are weapons involved, a 4 if there are multiple perpetrators, a 5 if the perpetrators are non English speaking and will require a Miranda warning in any other language ... Please be sure to enter the appropriate language code if you enter a 5 ... if the police emergency is a non life threatening rape or physical assault please enter a 7 ... (The woman now has lost her temper, she punches in a 2 saying out loud "How the hell do I know if it's life threatening or not you imbecile!) "Emergency phone mate 911 recognizes that you have a police emergency that is non life threatening, emergency phone mate will now direct your call to the appropriate department for response ... please hold while your call is transferred ... (we hear ringing ... the phone is answered) "Dunkin' Donuts, may I help you?" AMAX 2.20 * Origin: The Nebraska Inns of Court (inns.omahug.org) (1:285/27) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 00:48:39 PST From: Nigel Roberts Subject: Mercury Cost Centre Codes In Digest #132, David Brightbill referred to MCI account codes: In the U.K., the only competitor to BT (formerly British Telecom) in the provision of LD service is Mercury Communications. BT still has no competition in providing local service, incidentally. Access to Mercury is by indirect access only; you dial "131,pause,account number" then dial using DTMF. In my area, the 131 has to be dialled on pulse. This is promoted to Joe Average Consumer by the use of the so-called "Mercury button". In reality, of course, this is only a memory button with a different colour. One of the big advantages of Mercury service (apart from the considerably lower bills) is that the ability to use "Cost Centres" (their term). If you choose to have this enabled, you can dial a short cost centre code before the telephone number you are calling, and your fully itemised bill (something else I can't get from BT!) is analysed by your cost centres. Great for expenses re-billing. By the way, you don't have to wait for another tone; the cost centre code is merely tacked on to the end of the Mercury account number. I finally got onto Mercury at home in Manningtree last week (after a 4 year wait -- the Manningtree switch is an old TXE-2). I am still trying it out, but my first impressions are that it was worth waiting for. Now if only they'd provide automated calling card service ... Anyone from Mercury read the Digest? Nigel Eur. Ing. N. Roberts; P. O. Box 49; MANNINGTREE; Essex; CO11 2SZ; U.K. +44 206 396610 / +49 6103 383489 FAX +44 206 393148 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 02:10:07 PST From: linc@tongue1.Berkeley.EDU (Linc Madison) Subject: Original NANP Questions I just got around to looking closely at the list posted recently of the area codes used in the original North American Numbering Plan, as described in the {Bell System Technical Journal} in 1952. There have been numerous area code splits since then, including several that took place before most of North America had direct-dial long distance. A few things I noticed that are particularly noteworthy: * The area that is now 817 was originally divided between 214 & 915 (Waco is listed as 214, but Wichita Falls is listed as 915) Where was Fort Worth? (I'd guess 214) * The original 415 appears to have been a narrow band stretching along the California coast from Monterey to the Oregon border. * I would guess that area code 714 originally included not only 619 but also 209 and 805 (central California) * Area Code 902 originally included three (four?) entire provinces of Canada (N.B., N.S., P.E.I., Nfld?) * What area code did Binghamton, N.Y., originally have? 315? * Was 819 originally part of 514? (Quebec) * Were 807 and 705 part of 613? (Ontario) * There are at least two area codes (305 and 415) that have already split into four area codes each. If my inference is right, 714 will be the first to split into five (714/909/619/805/209) * Right at half the states and provinces have had area code splits. Linc Madison == Linc@Tongue1.Berkeley.EDU == 94701-2811 USPS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 92 11:10:18 PDT From: rocque@lorbit.UUCP (peter marshall) Subject: You Too, Tovarich? [from a 2/12 eff.talk post by Michael Bravo of the "su"]: ... here's a piece of info from quite distant land-USSR. I'd like to supply you with current situation and see if there's some possible support for us ... Fidonet is now the biggest network, and connects the majority of BBSes on the USSR territory. After the January jump in phone tariffs, we were faced with problem of fighting monopolistic rule of phone exchanges. There's constant threat of requirement to 'registrate' your modem or even to pay data communication surcharge in amounts not affordable for single individual. Moreover, paying such surcharges doesn't guarantee you anything -- even line quality. So, we, Fidonet sysops, decided to try and come up with some kind of non- profit organization to represent us as a real public force. That's what I'd call a real electronic frontier. Peter Marshall(rocque@lorbit.uucp) "Lightfinger" Rayek's Friendly Casino: 206/528-0948, Seattle, Washington. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 11:26:38 CST From: Will Martin Subject: Competition in Service Those interested in the issues of video dial tone, cable-TV service competition, and breaking up monopoly at the local-telco level should be sure to read the article on the front page of the Feb 18 92 {Wall Street Journal} rregarding just such a development taking place in Glasgow, KY. There the local electric utility had begun a two-way meter-reading and energy-conservation-appliance-control wiring system, which then developed into a competitive feed of cable-TV (causing the previously- monopoly cable-TV company to slash its rates) and is now beginning to support telephone communications (initially for the utility employees, but expandable). Regards, Will ------------------------------ From: grieggs@devvax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (John T. Grieggs) Subject: FAX Protocol Specs Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 16:19:32 PDT I am interested in writing a program to talk directly to a FAX modem, but have been led to believe that this might be difficult. Is there a standard protocol for computer <-> FAX modem? Something akin to the Hayes command set, possibly? If so, where might I find it? If not, I'd be interested in knowing how such a wide-spread thing has resisted standardization! john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 92 22:27:26 -0500 From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) Subject: 800 DA Now in Common? Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA I was under the impression that (from a phone with AT&T for default LD carrier) dialing 1 (800) 555 1212 would give you an AT&T directory assistance operator who would be able to give out 800 numbers IF the carrier for those numbers was AT&T. Recently I got email (not from this newsgroup) that contradicted this. I was told: 1. 1 (800) 555 1212 can give you _any_ 800 number, not just those that belong to AT&T. 2. AT&T isn't running 800 DA any more (in that case, who is?) 3. 1 (800) 555 1212 is free from any phone regardless of your LD carrier 4. "Gypsy" codes e.g. 10288 for AT&T shouldn't be used in front of 800 numbers because they can interfere with the routing via the LD company that services the particular 800 number. Email responses, please, since I won't have net access for the next few days and will miss any posts. I'll prepare a summary and send it to PAT for posting. Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA brown@ncoast.org [Moderator's Note: Please respond direct to Stan as requested. To give a few answers though, AT&T does 'own' 800-555-1212, but it is managed and maintained for them under contract with Southwestern Bell out of St. Louis, MO. (or somewhere in the Illinois suburbs of St. Louis, I think -- not sure.) AT&T owns the data base, but anyone with an 800 number from any carrier can be listed if they are willing to pay the fee which should be handled directly with their carrier. Many 800 subscribers do not want to be listed. 800-555-1212 should not be confused with the AT&T printed 800 directory, which is another thing entirely and only includes AT&T numbers. The telco switch ignores the 10xxx codes if inserted in front of 800. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 23:40:45 CST From: Jack.Winslade@ivgate.omahug.org (Jack Winslade) Subject: Sprint Responds! Reply-To: jsw@drbbs.omahug.org Organization: DRBBS Technical BBS, Omaha My submission a couple of weeks ago, 'What the {deleted} is wrong with Sprint ??' has generated more replies to me than any other item I've ever submitted to this group. The vast majority fit into a few broad categories. 1. Similar horror stories about customer service at 'brand S' and 'brand M' long distance. No similar horror stories about 'brand A'. 2. Those expressing agreement that firms who use endless MOH and knee-jerk 'please hold ' do not deserve our business. One seemed to imply that the inventor of the automated touch-tone menu should be subjected to the ancient Chinese Muzak torture. ;-) 3. A few defending the use of MOH and immediate hold. (No comment.) 4. A couple of notes reminding me not to blame the poor receptionist, but those who put the receptionist in the position of having too much phone traffic to handle. Yes, I agree. 5. A couple of notes that seem to imply that I have spent the last 30 years on some turnip farm somewhere in Manitoba and should become familiar with the ways business is done over the telephone in this day and age. 6. Two notes from people with 'brand A' and one from a guy with 'brand M' stating that they would be very happy to have my business if Sprint does not want it. The surprise came Monday afternoon. I received a call from a Vice President in Sprint's business service center in Kansas City. He had received a call from a friend of his in Lawrence, KS (I assume with the University) who read my post and thought he should know about it. He appologized for the lack of follow-through, and said that he would follow up, pull the trouble ticket, and report it to a counterpart at his level in the residence service division. I briefly reviewed the problem, explaining that it was a definite problem followed by a definite fix, and chatted a bit about the frustration in dealing with their customer service people. I'll follow up if/when I hear from anyone else in Sprint. BTW, since Saturday two weeks ago, the Sprint lines to Iowa City have been clean. Unless trouble recurs I'll probably stay with Sprint for the data calls on that loop. I've been comparing throughput between Sprint and AT&T using both PEP and v.32. Results are inconclusive so far. Throughput seems to be dependent more on the phase of the moon than it does on the LD carrier. I still haven't tested enough to be sure of the results. Good day! JSW ------------------------------ From: kfree@pnet01.cts.com (Kenneth Freeman) Subject: Non-Local Internet Access Organization: People-Net [pnet01], El Cajon CA Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1992 10:16:11 GMT Where in the U.S. is Internet/Usenet access not a local call? UUCP: {ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!kfree INET: kfree@pnet01.cts.com [Moderator's Note: Lots of places! Internet dialups are found in every major urban area because of the large number of universities in those areas. It is found in smaller towns with universities. If you include services like Telenet/Sprintnet's PC Pursuit, with local dialups in 9000+ telephone exchanges, you can increase the number of local connections a little, but Telenet indials are most commonly found where the action is, ie the larger cities where you will also find many universities, so you can't really count all 9000 in the estimate. That still leaves vast areas of the United States where the closest Internet dialup is a long distance call. Now, if you want to include the 'public access unix' sites found in a few small towns (although most of them are in urban areas also) you can scrounge up a few more local access numbers since the sysadmin is the one making the calls to connecting points every day for mail and news. Even so, there are many, many small and medium size towns around the USA with no local access. When I get moved out of Chicago (hopefully) within the next year, I'll be in a place where the closest dialups are Telenet operated, in Tulsa, OK, some sixty miles away. I'll survive. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #151 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa03891; 21 Feb 92 3:09 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA00680 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 01:16:03 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA27068 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 01:15:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 01:15:40 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202210715.AA27068@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #152 TELECOM Digest Fri, 21 Feb 92 01:15:28 CST Volume 12 : Issue 152 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary (Walter Scott) Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary (Peter Marshall) Re: Kansas City Sysops and Southwestern Bell (Doctor Math) Re: MOH From Radio: Is it Lawful? (The Squire, Phish) Re: MOH From Radio: Is it Lawful? (John De Armond) Re: MOH From Radio: Is it Lawful? (Bob Miller) Re: MOH - Is it a Violation of ASCAP & BMI? (R. Kevin Oberman) Re: MOH, Bad Manners, Poor Throughput, and Sprint (Andrew M. Dunn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary From: walter@halcyon.com (Walter Scott) Reply-To: walter@halcyon.com Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 07:56:06 PST Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > In article randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) > writes: >> The well-known fact (possibly not in the more hysterical fringes >> outside of Portland) is that Wagner received and continues to receive >> income from the lines in question. > That definitely passes the "Duck Test" for a business. If US West is > behaving more reasonably then SWBell I'm glad to hear it, but let's > see what happens after this one's decided. As one who has called and viewed Wagner's BBS, I see no indication of solicitations for compensation of any kind. Although I have not accessed Wagner's "Restricted" line to see what's there, I haven't seen any reference to this line being a pay/subscription line in bulletins and messages viewed on the other two lines accessible at no charge, for now. If Wagner "continues to receive income from the LINES in question", I'd like to see Mr. Bush present to us some evidence to back this statement up. Walter Scott The 23:00 News and Mail Service - +1 206 292 9048 - Seattle, WA USA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 92 11:51:22 PDT From: rocque@lorbit.UUCP (peter marshall) Subject: Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary Here we go again, with Randy Bush now purporting to have an exclusive grip on the One True Gospel about what he revealingly characterizes as "the actual details of the case and filing." Thought these were the same thing, but guess not, from what Randy says. Then again, it seems that much of what he does say, if you look at it at all closely, is opinion -- generally unsupported by factual information, but, as we know, nevertheless, really "the actual details of the case and filing." Nice work if you can get it. Funny thing is that ongoing monitoring of the case and its environment, review of documents and like that, hasn't managed to turn up much of anything to support this Gospel According to Randy. But, on the other hand, we're nevertheless told that "US West has been and continues to be quite reasonable and willing to discuss and negotiate." OK. With whom? About what? When? Funny that there's just no context given for this claim. Funny too, that there's no even an attempt to provide any support for it. Likewise, there's no backup offered for the notion of sysops "testifying" in support of the US West position; and, in fact, it's a little hard to see that anyone can supply "testimony" after the hearing phase of the case has ended, which just happens to be the fact here. But, then again, Randy's in possession of those "actual details." And, no; we're not going to "get back" to dealing with the really important stuff only after this little, annoying case goes away. That stuff is what the little, annoying case is about, here and now. And as to what Randy so unprecisely terms "the position of BBS operators," we can only hope to guess at what he's talking about, while remaining convinced that those who fail to see things his way are simply going to "damage" this important "position." Peter Marshall (rocque@lorbit.uucp) "Lightfinger" Rayek's Friendly Casino: 206/528-0948, Seattle, Washington. ------------------------------ From: drmath@viking.rn.com (Doctor Math) Subject: Re: Kansas City Sysops and Southwestern Bell Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 09:24:06 EST Organization: Department of Redundancy Department peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > In article samp@pro-gallup.cts.com > (System Administrator) writes: >> One of the conditions is that the boards ... must not advertise and > This is probably reasonable, depending on what they mean by "advertise". I didn't get this one either. Obviously, taking out an ad in a magazine is "advertising", but what about being listed in a BBS list in the back of {Computer Currents}? Or being listed in the {Nixpub}, the Public Access Unix listing that circulates around the net? >> must have fewer than five phone lines. > There they go again. If they want to charge business rates for anyone > with more than X phone lines (since they have to put in extra > pedestals) that's fine. But making it "BBSes with more than X lines" > is simply bogus. It's unreasonable to treat modem users any > differently to any other class of subscriber. I couldn't agree more on this point. Note that Pac*Hell isn't trying this in California; it's being tried in other areas that are less technologically "advanced". California is cited as the "center of the net" in Vielmetti's "What Is Usenet", (14% of mapped sites) so it's likely that Pac*Bell knows they would fight very hard to put this over around there. Of course, they might wait for a precedent to be set somewhere else before trying anything. Our Esteemed Moderator writes: > [Moderator's Note: Well, I do not know which Ameritech company has > your business, but IBT has all those things you mentioned above, > including residential centrex which they sell as 'Starline Service'. > I have Caller-ID and several other CLASS features on my line including > distinctive ringing and forward on busy/no answer to voicemail. PAT] Great! Now all I have to do is call IBT and order phone service! :-) I wish it were that easy; I would have done so months ago. :( If only there weren't still a monopoly on local service. Does anyone out there know if this will be changed anytime soon? ------------------------------ From: chris@zeus.calpoly.edu (The Squire, Phish) Subject: Re: MOH From Radio: Is it Lawful? Organization: Fantasy, Incorporated: Reality None of Our Business. Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1992 07:05:11 GMT [description of how ASCAP and BMI work] Actually, though there are people who listen to tapes and transcribe, one of the things I HATED when working in TOP40 radio was getting the logs. We had to log EVERY song we played for two weeks. I guess it was just easier to have the DJs do it. They never bothered to ask if it would adversely affect our shift (it did) or was a hassle (it was). We were even required to write down the names of songs used as background beds for ads and promos. chris@zeus.calpoly.edu | Fubar Systems BBS | (805) 54-FUBAR ------------------------------ From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: Re: MOH From Radio: Is it Lawful? Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 20:17:13 GMT Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. K_MULLHOLAND@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Kath Mullholand) writes: > Laird Broadfield writes: > As a matter of fact, it is, and ASCAP, among others, is vigorous about > filing suit. They have collected from small restaurants with piped in > radio music, and from small companies with radio MOH. If a company is > using radio, CD, records, or other unlicensed recordings for MOH or > over a speaker system on a regular basis, I'd wager it's only a matter > of time before they'd hear about it. Actually they are more like bullies. They come in acting like the gestapo but when someone stands up to them, they back down rather rapidly. About two years ago, they came in on the restaurant owned by a couple of my friends. These friends are very wealthy and run the restaurant as a hobby. The ASCAP gestapo pushed a consent order under their noses on the first visit. I happened to walk in toward the end of that encounter. We discussed afterward and decided to call their bluff. After consulting with their lawyer, they did just that. They were going to argue that the music from the radio already had royalties paid and that there is no practical difference between a centralized music system and with sitting a radio on each table. ASCAP sent a couple more threatening letters and then slithered back into their hole. Too bad. My friend had the resources and the determination to fight this one. To another poster's assertion that commercial radio could not exist without this royalty scan, I say rubbish. Performers could not buy that kind of advertising at any price. The opposite assertion could much easier be made, that the commercial recording business exists only BECAUSE of the airtime the albums get. Proof? Name one album that has achieved significant success without any airplay. John De Armond, WD4OQC Rapid Deployment System, Inc. Marietta, Ga jgd@dixie.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 09:16:26 CST From: Bob.Miller@ivgate.omahug.org (Bob Miller) Subject: Re: MOH From Radio: Is it Lawful? Reply-To: bob.miller%drbbs@ivgate.omahug.org Organization: DRBBS Technical BBS, Omaha I worked for a corporation where we disconnected MOH because we were informed that we needed some sort of a license to rebroadcast commerical FM radio. Rather than look into this we decided to just disconnect. Also, it seemed strange to call Alanta and hear the same commerical that was on the radio (at different times) in Denver. I know this is a pet peeve but what about Call Waiting? It's bad enough that I get put on hold when calling a business, but also when calling a friend. Another pet peeve, or maybe I just resistent to change, cheap speakerphones where the quality sounds terrible. Ybbat (DRBBS) 8.9 v. 3.13 r.5 DRBBS, Omaha. Farewell to Admiral Grace (200:5010/666.0) ------------------------------ From: oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov Subject: Re: MOH - Is it a Violation of ASCAP & BMI? Date: 19 Feb 92 21:05:25 GMT In article , john@mojave.ati.com (John Higdon) writes: > SESAC is another, lesser-known, money collector. One seasoned > broadcaster was visited by a representative from this group who > demanded his pound of flesh. "We do not play any SESAC recordings so I > am not paying!", was the reply. The "rep" went to the record library > and after about fifteen minutes managed to produce a SESAC-represented > disk. "What about this?", he inquired. > Whereupon the station owner took the record and immediately broke it > in two over his knee. "What about it? Would you care to find another?" > That station never did pay any money to SESAC. This may have happened, but the owner better be careful! In an earlier life as a disc jockey I read in the trade press (Billboard?) about a station that would not license from SESAC. They carried a ball game and the band played a SESAC song that was picked up. SESAC sued and won. These groups are very serious. Call them "legal extortion" or whatever. But they are the ONLY way composers get paid for their work. ASCAP was founded by a group of composers as a non-profit organization to stop the rip-offs and I, for one, support them. (I do think the SESAC thing was absurd, though. But the station owner said the SESAC license was VERY cheap compared to BMI and ASCAP.) R. Kevin Oberman Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Internet: oberman1@llnl.gov (510) 422-6955 Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing and probably don't really know anything useful about anything. ------------------------------ From: amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn) Subject: Re: MOH, Bad Manners, Poor Throughput, and Sprint Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Canada Date: Tue, 18 Feb 92 18:52:39 GMT In article our Esteemed Moderator writes: > [Moderator's Note: The problem with delayed answering of phone calls > in business places is largely the fault of the person in charge of the > staff assigned to answering. If they need another person on the phones > full time, then they should hire someone and not force such a backlog > to occur. But predicting the proper staffing levels in large phone > centers is an inexact science at best. It can't always be helped. PAT] Perhaps the most difficult part is figuring out how to pay the extra secretary only for the calls she answers. I haven't met too many secretaries/receptionists willing to work piece-rate. Seriously, if you're incoming call traffic is flat through most of the day, with peaks from 9-9:30, 11:30-1:00, and 4-4:30, where normally you get one call every five minutes but during the peaks you get 25 calls every five minutes, how would YOU staff the department? You'd need 0.5 receptionists most of the day. And, for a total of 2.5 hours each day, you'd need two receptionists. So do you hire zero, one or two? Ultimately, you'll either be overstaffed (and who can afford that these days) or have to put somebody on hold. Pity, but it's unavoidable in most organizations. Andy Dunn (amdunn@mongrel.uucp) ({uunet...}!xenitec!mongrel!amdunn) [Moderator's Note: When I was associated with the Amoco/Diners Club sales authorization center here back in the middle seventies we had about 30 incoming call positions of which about half were staffed during the day and evening; with about three or four staffed during the overnight hours. These people took all incoming calls (typically 800-900 per hour during the day, a hundred per hour overnight; average call length 15-20 seconds) and handled about 90 percent of them with an automatic approval or automatic decline message from the computer. The remaining ten percent were passed to four credit representative positions when the computer was unable to make a decision or programmed to not handle it for one reason or another. Lamps on each ACD position would illuminate steadily if one or two calls were on hold in the queue. Three or four calls on hold caused the lamps to flash at 60 ips. Five or more calls on hold caused the lamps to flash at 120 (?) ips. Six or seven calls waiting in the queue caused a red light bulb mounted on the wall at the front of the room to illuminate. Eight calls in the queue caused the red light to flash off and on. Ten calls waiting in the queue caused a buzzer to sound in the supervisor's office; when that would happen usually once a day or sometimes twice at no predictable time the supervisor came from the office with a 'cricket' -- a little metal clicker he carried in his hand. He would go to the other side of the room where people were working pulling microfilm requests and snap the clicker a few times. That was a signal for those people to stop what they were doing and go immediatly to a vacant ACD position and start taking incoming calls. They stayed at that position until he came around saying they were to go back to their regular assignment. Usually that would be when the queue had emptied out ten or fifteen minutes later. If the computer was down requiring manual lookups from large books with printouts, they'd be there all day sometimes, and even then the automatic floor limit (approve without checking the books or asking questions) would have to be raised several dollars just to keep things moving. The supervisor also had meters in his office which counted the number of calls at any time or per hour; also the number of 'lost calls' (calls where the caller hung up without waiting in the queue) and the number of times all incoming lines and/or all positions were busy. They did not play MOH; the incoming call put on hold merely got a short message saying "Amoco/Diners - all positions are busy; please hold for the first available sales authorizer." The message would repeat about every thirty seconds, but a wait longer than that was rare. The ACD had about fifty in-WATS (800) lines coming in; several local Chicago numbers; and a couple-dozen 'tie-lines' or ringdowns which came from dealers in large urban areas where there had been a high incidence of fraud and/or the dealer otherwise called us at least twenty times per hour for approvals (such as heavy traffic locations on the interstates, etc. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #152 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa06162; 21 Feb 92 4:02 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA11726 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 02:02:27 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA30847 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 02:02:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 02:02:13 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202210802.AA30847@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #153 TELECOM Digest Fri, 21 Feb 92 02:02:09 CST Volume 12 : Issue 153 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Nynex Starts Cable and Telephone Service in the UK (Bryan Montgomery) Call-Forwarding Features Return CT-NY (Douglas Scott Reuben) Nynex Starts Electronic Yellow Pages (Middlesex News via Adam M. Gaffin) C-Span Carried the RBOC Information Services Hearing (Bob Frankston) Bellcore's New NANP (John R. Levine) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 17:14:17 GMT From: eb4/91/92 Subject: Nynex Starts Cable and Telephone Service in the UK As I mentioned in earlier postings, NYNEX has been moving into the area of cable in the Portsmouth area of Southern England. Currently NYNEX is the biggest cable company in the UK of their operation and are keeping slightly quieter about their telephone operations. As far as the CATV is concerned they are currently broadcasting; 4 Terrestial Stations 5 General type programmes 4 Sports channel 5 News/Documentary channels 2 Music 3 Viewing details (1 4x4 matrix with VOA soundtrack) 3 premium film channels 4 German 1 each of Italian, French, Dutch, Spanish and Russian These are distributed through a cable consisting of both coax and twisted pair, all of which are underground cables which has resulted in a mass program digging up sidewalks and installing the ducts for the cable. After phoning the local number after asking for some technical information for a report I was shortly called back by the chief design engineer. I ended up having a very interesting conversation for about 20 minutes or so. I asked about the type of network implemented, which threw him somewhat, but he said that it was a mixture of `classic' types custom designed for this application. The signals originate from their earth-station/CO and (if I remember correctly) are fed through fibre to a 34Mbit (Nokia) multiplexor, this signal is then carried to four 8Mbit multiplexors where it is then converted to coax/twisted pair and then distributed to each household. This arrangement covers 2400 houses at a cost of 1/2 million pounds for materials, including 20km of plant. They are intending to offer the service to 50,000+ houses and expect to recover the costs over seven years before showing a profit. The system has been currently designed to handle up to 40% coverage (in a similar scheme in Birmingham the take-up rate was about 20%). Incidentally, he reckons that within about ten years fibre optic cable will be supplied to the house direct, also they are currently working on a real time video phone for general useage. The cable has a bandwidth of 50-550MHz with 1% as a return path for two-way consumer interaction (as defined in their license). It is designed to carry upto 50 Pal channels of 8MHz bandwidth. He also told me that available technology was now capable of producing an amplifier with 10 times the power, sends a signal twice as far on cable at half the price of the similar top-range amplifier available this time last year. As far as the telephone is considered they plan to come on line with the first consumer at the beginning of March with general release coming soon after. The telephone service will require the customer having a new number (although calls to the old number will automatically be re-directed) and still listed in the BT phone directory. I wonder what the deal is behind this, who pays who? NYNEX will offer the (US) standard flat rate local calling. Up until now BT has ALWAYS had measured local service. The standard monthly itemised billing system was just intorduced by BT with the upgrade to digital switches and ONLY on calls over 10 units-50 pence or so or 90 cents or so. The long distance calls will automatically be re-routed the cheapest way. Currently this is almost always through Mercury but they are apparently having discussions with British Gas and British Rail. For subscribers not on NYNEX, the local calls will be routed to NYNEX's CO then onto BT onto the customer. We recently had a salesman call at my parent's home. It was not a particularly hard sale, although my Dad had already decided on getting cable anyway. It turns out that installation is 30 pounds for which you get the cable from the sidewalk, and a free telephone! The rental is 2.99 a week+46pence per day per premium film channel. Additionally an extra converter costs 92 pence a week (now there is a problem as to which of my two brothers has this box!). When we asked about the phone service he told us of the dates, said we would be one of the first to have access if we required as the cables were laid simultaneously. However he wasn't able to give us any prices but reckoned there would be an average saving on the phone bill of 15-25%. Last week the cable was actually installed. It turned out that we were the first to have it installed in our particular area. Each house subscribing, has a cable which is fed from their house, through the ducting and to the nearest `box'. In our case this is about 200 yards down the road. The cable is then terminated in a RG75U(?) connector and screwed to a connector within the box. At that time there were 32 connectors within the box with provision for more to be added as needs be. Currently the telephone cable is just terminated. The wire then runs to a terminator at the front of the consumer's house, where again the telephone wire is terminated. For our house, the cable is then split into two sections which are then routed to an internal box. From here the cable goes to a decoder which controls the channels, volume and programming options. There is also another cable which goes to an FM radio socket in which certain channels are re-broadcast in addition to `normal' radio stations and VOA. Incidentally, the decoder is made by Scientific Atlanta (I think) from Georgia USA. The initial installation standard was quite high. The whole process took about three hours. Contractors installed the cable from the road to the drop and a NYNEX engineer did the internal work. However, the picture quality was remarkably bad quality initially. On contacting NYNEX, and following a visit from an engineer, the cable to the drop was rewired and the picture quality was basically as one expected from a normal transmission/video. In all I believe that the complaint was handled quite well -- although I played no part in this as such. Currently NYNEX reckons on having a 21% take up but that the telephone capability is likely to increase this figure. It will be interesting to see what happens in this field. Although there has been competition, according to the government, this hasn't taken off in the same way as the US. To take advantage of Mercury, a fairly high volume of long distance is required, however, unlike the US, NYNEX is now able to compete with the RBOCs, justifying their investment in the local loop by combining with CATV. I have high hopes for this service and I'll be interested to see how it progresses. I think NYNEX has quite good prospects at competing with BT in a profitable way, I guess time will tell, especially as to how BT will react to this challenge. Until another time, Bryan Montgomery. montgomery_br%uk.ac.port.ee@uknet.ac.uk or bmontgomery@ev.port.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: 20-FEB-1992 04:05:50.80 From: Douglas Scott Reuben Subject: Call-Forwarding Features Return CT-NY I just noticed something new today: Cell One/NY (preivously Metro One) customers who are roaming in Connecticut can now use their Call-Forwarding features again. When NY cut over to an Ericsson in July of 1991, it was virtually "isolated" from the rest of the Motorola EMX switches surrounding the NY system, and at best could only pass along calls to other systems. Call-Waiting, Three-Way calling, and Call-Forwarding simply would not work. They quickly fixed the Call-Waiting; Three-Way took a bit longer, and finally, after more than seven months, Call-Forwarding works again. Thus, NY customers in Metro Mobile's CT system can hit *71, *72, *74, or *70 (cancel CF) and these features will behave appropriately. Note the use of *70 to cancel ALL CF features. I dunno why they do this -- *73 worked until two weeks ago. I have written to Metro Mobile about this, informing them that *70 was pretty non-standard. If they can find anyone there who knows how to read, and better yet, write, perhaps they will be kind enough to let me know what's going on. (Of course that assumes that someone at Metro does, which they usually do not. :( ) I'm going to have fun calling Metro tomorrow and saying: "Hi, I noticed that NY customers can now use their CF features in CT, is the converse true for CT customers in NY?" Good thing their *611 is free -- I figure it will take them over 45 minutes to find someone to answer this, and there is a 50% chance they will get it wrong anyhow. To those NY customers who wish to try this: Make sure you DON'T deactivate your voicemail. If you hit *70 (ie, *73) or *713 (unforward No-Answer-Transfer only) you will wipe out your voicemail. NY uses the *71/NAT feature in their last remaining Motorola to transfer to voicemail, and if you hit anything to clear *71 (even another *71 number, as in *71-415-555-1212), you will erase the voicemail NAT feature. I do not as of yet know how to restore voicemail using *71; I will call NY tomorrow and find out. (It USED to be something like 310+mobile number, but that is no good now that 310 is assigned. I tried *9, *111, *110, 111+mobile number, etc, but all failed.) So be careful: If you use *71, make sure you don't have voicemail (or don't want it for a while -- you have to call customer service to turn it on again). *72 will work fine, ie, you can hit *72 and *723 to unforward, and it will not affect your voicemail. After you unforward your *72, your voicemail will work fine. (People who use Follow Me Roaming may be familiar with this already). I think the features are being handled in NY's Motorola -- it takes FAR too long for a call to forward for it to be done in the Ericsson. I assume that when they get rid of the Motorola (which they say will be soon), these features will be handled directly by the Ericsson. Note that all the above should also be true for NY customers who roam into Cell One/South Jersey (ComCast Cellular). You may also find that CF features will now work in ALL the northeast EMX systems, like Boston, Philly, Wilmington, Atlantic City, and Rhode Island. I have not tried this as of yet, but I'd be interested to see how this works. As to CT customers using their Call Forwarding features in NY ... stay tuned! So be careful (for now) with using *71/*713/*70 if you have voicemail, and enjoy the (finally!) restored CF features. Doug dreuben@eagle.wesleyan.edu // dreuben@wesleyan.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 12:07:42 -0500 From: adamg@world.std.com (Adam M Gaffin) Subject: Nynex Starts Electronic Yellow Pages My apologies for the "lead" on my story. I admit it, it was late, and I was too tired to be original :-). There was speculation in the {Boston Globe} that this effort may really be an attempt by Nynex to do something, anything, to get an information service operational before Congress overturns the court order letting them into the field (presumably on the theory that if Nynex is already in the field, Congress will be more reluctant to kick them out again, even if the effort looks particularly slapdash). Nynex announced this service the same day the newspaper industry and AT&T were testifying before Congress urging a return to the MFJ ban. Adam Middlesex News, Framingham, Mass., 2/20/92 Nynex will go on-line with listings By Adam Gaffin NEWS STAFF WRITER You can now let your fingers do the walking electronically through the Yellow Pages. Nynex yesterday announced an online Yellow Pages available to anyone with a computer and modem, becoming the first regional Bell operating company to offer an electronic Yellow Pages database. The 1984 court order that broke up AT&T had barred such efforts, but that provision was overturned last year. The service, at least at first, will offer listings only, rather than ads, from close to 300 Nynex directories - the company serves most of New York and New England, except for Connecticut. Users will also be able to scan UPI news and financial information, according to Kurt Roessner, president of Nynex Information Technologies, the subsidiary that will run the service. Ultimately, the company hopes to begin offering and displaying Yellow Pages-like ads to users, Roessner said yesterday. Users will require special software to access the information through the Minitel network, a French system that has so far failed to catch on in the U.S. Nynex will provide the software for free to users of MS-DOS, Macintosh, Apple II and Commodore computers, Roessner said. Roessner said Nynex eventually hopes to offer the service on other, more popular computer networks. Minitel was chosen because Nynex has offered its Yellow Pages information to French subscribers for almost two years, he said. Nynex will charge 61 cents a minute - $36.60 an hour - the same as French users pay. However, Roessner acknowledged this may be more than Americans are willing to pay and that the company will look at lowering the rate. CompuServe, the nation's largest consumer-oriented computer network, charges $12.80 an hour -- but drops that to just 50 cents an hour to people who use an AT&T directory of national toll-free numbers. The Nynex project is the latest in a series of efforts by large companies to sell information to consumers via computer. Some, such as an effort by Knight-Ridder in the mid-1980s, have ended in spectacular failure. Last year, Nynex dropped its own information "gateway" service after losing several million dollars. CompuServe and several other online services, however, reportedly earn sizable profits. Phone-company information services have been surrounded by controversy. Opponents, who include organizations representing newspaper publishers, say it is unfair to allow a company that provides the means of distribution to also offer services -- a common comparison is to a turnpike authority that also ran a trucking company. Roessner, however, said he hopes the phone company can cooperate with, rather than fight, other potential "information providers." He said he has already talked with officials at a number of newspapers who seem more willing to work with the phone company on joint projects than their national organizations would let on. ------------------------------ From: Subject: C-Span Carried the RBOC Information Services Hearing Date: Thu 20 Feb 1992 11:58 -0500 Yesterday, CSpan carried hearings on RBOCs and information services. ATT, MCI, Cox Newspapers and the newspaper associations (represented by their chairpeople) gave good presentations on why RBOCs should be kept under control. The Vice-Chairman of Nynex lamely argued that because they had competition in other areas they should be allowed to compete in information services (am I being unfair in this character- ization)? ------------------------------ Subject: Bellcore's New NANP Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 0:51:37 EST From: John R. Levine According to {Newsbytes} Bellcore has distributed a "Proposal on the Future of Numbering in World Zone 1" which details the plan for interchangable area codes starting in January, 1995 and looking ahead 30 years. Since only two of the original 144 codes are available (Bellcore's figures) there is some urgency. They got predictable flak, partly people unhappy that Bellcore and the RBOCs have a monopoly on number assignment, though nobody has offered a plausible alternative, and some suggestions for adding extra digits as an alternative. (Note to readers outside North America: There are billions of dollars of equipment ranging from central offices to autodial phones that know that phone numbers are the 3 + 7 digits, since all our numbers have been of that form for nearly 40 years. Making numbers longer would be extremely difficult.) Bellcore is asking for comments on the proposal by April 30. Apparently the proposal has a fair amount to say about how they plan to assign the 640 new area codes. Has anyone actually seen it? Is it possible to get a copy easily? Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #153 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa08992; 21 Feb 92 5:05 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA30132 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 02:36:06 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA21541 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 02:35:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 02:35:40 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202210835.AA21541@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #154 TELECOM Digest Fri, 21 Feb 92 02:35:38 CST Volume 12 : Issue 154 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Things Looked Rosy for Western Union in 1960 - Part I (Jim Haynes) Bell System Declares War on Software Bugs (Phila Inquirer via Bill Zimmer) WECO / USOC Jacks (Carl P. Zwanzig) Telephone Economics (was PIC's From RBOC Payphones) (David Gast) Faster Protocol Needed (gip8@sci.kun.nl) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: haynes@cats.UCSC.EDU (Jim Haynes) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 22:51:55 -0800 Subject: Things Looked Rosy for Western Union in 1960 - Part I The August 27, 1960 issue of {Business Week} showed W. U. President Walter P. Marshall on the front cover, with a pushbutton message switching position in the background, and the following story inside. (page 86 ff) "Electronics Puts Young Blood in Old Company" "When Walter P. Marshall (cover) stepped into the president's job at Western Union in December, 1948, it looked as if his tenure might be short and unhappy. Western Union, once the backbone of fast and dependable long-distance communications in the United States, was, quite plainly, a deathly sick old company. It was saddled with high labor costs, old equipment, crushing debt, and local operations that often cost more to run than they returned in gross revenue. "Some Western Union executives were waiting for a declaration of bankruptcy; many doubted that the company would survive to celebrate its 100th anniversary in 1951. "-Rejuvenation- But in the ensuing 10 years, Western Union not only has pulled through, but it has thoroughly rejuvenated itself. Instead of a winded oldster that could only look back at the days when its competition was the Pony Express, it now resembles an electronics adolescent with a bright and profitable future. The company's new strength already is evident: Last year its revenues and earnings set an all-time high. "Western Union can be expected to keep on growing. In the next five years, management hopes to spend $350-million on expansion. Next year, the company plans to spend $105-million for plant and equipment on top of $45-million this year. Completion of a transcontinental microwave network will increase the system's circuit capacity 10 times, and will add enormously to the range of services it can offer. It will be able to provide increased telegraphic service, leased voice channels, facsimile, closed-circuit television, and perhaps most important of all, high-speed data processing channels that can handle digital information at computer speeds. "-I. Financial Turnaround "The job of turning Western Union around from a faltering centenarian to an eager and aggressive competitor in the communications field was a difficult one. Before the company could even think about modernization, it had a raft of complex financial problems to solve. Few outside the company realized just how close to extinction it was 10 years ago. "A look at the books shows how deeply in trouble the company was: "- Operating losses were about $1-million a month. "- Bond issues totaling $30-million were maturing in 1950 and 1951, and bond issues and notes totaling $35-million were due in 1960, but no provisions for paying them were being made. "- Labor costs were eating up 69.2% of the company's gross revenues, leaving little money for maintenance or modernization. "- Message service, Western Union's basic revenue source, was declining steadily. It dropped from $178-million in 1947 to $146- million in 1949. "- Competition was formidable. More and more, business communication was going over long-distance telephone lines, and American Telephone & Telegraph's TWX service, a teletypewriter exchange network, was diverting a tremendous amount of business from Western Union's wires. "So the yellow glow of the familiar Western Union offices burned red in Western Union's ledgers. The many local offices it maintained hung like a weight around the company's neck, pulling it deeper toward losses. Yet to abandon some of the offices or even limit their hours required not only months of delay but also expensive hearings. "-Quick Action - These are problems that Marshall set about solving when he took over in 1948. He was 47 and had a background in financing and accounting. Unlike most of his predecessors, he had long experience in the telegraph business. With the exception of Joseph Egan, Marshall's immediate predecessor, Western Union's presidents since the 1930s all had been railroad men. "Marshall had come to Western Union in 1943 as assistant to the president when the company absorbed Postal Telegraph, where he had been executive vice-president. For years, Postal Telegraph had been on the verge of insolvency, and its troubles provided familiar experience. Marshall's first actions as president of Western Union were to organize the company's debts and to start cutting labor costs. "He took care of debts by selling off property and leasing it back, by selling pole lines, cashing in securities, and selling such subsidiaries as Teleregister and American District Telegraph. For example, the big Western Union building in downtown New York was sold to Woodmen of the World Life Insurance ... [illegible] company for over $12-million. "Then Marshall shocked the board of directors by announcing immediate plans to spend millions of dollars on a broad modernization and expansion program for services such as Desk-Fax, a method of transmitting telegrams by facsimile directly to business offices. He also accelerated the program for installing automatic switching centers in 15 cities. He got management behind a big push to get more private wire business and to increase facsimile services. All of this cost a lot of money. And with the company's history of steadily diminishing revenues, it looked risky indeed. "-Quick Results- Losses in 1949 amounted to nearly $4.5-million on sales of $181-million. But by the end of 1950, Marshall's moves began to show results. Unprofitable local offices were being cut out and automatic switching centers were beginning to increase efficiency. That year alone, labor costs were cut by nearly $6-million, revenues went up to almost $188-million, and the company turned a $7-million profit. There has been no red ink since then, and in 1959 earnings were a record $16-million on sales of $276-million. "The company's debt position also has been reversed. All the outstanding bond issues have been paid in full or advantageously refinanced." [Moderator's Note: This is part one of three parts. Part two will appear in the Digest Friday night, and part three on Saturday. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 14:18:31 EST From: zim@IBX.COM (Bill Zimmer) Subject: Bell System Declares War on Software Bugs The following appears in today's (Thursday, February 20, 1992) edition of the {Philadelphia Inquirer}: BELL SYSTEM DECLARES WAR ON SOFTWARE BUGS By Larry Fish - Inquirer Staff Writer WASHINGTON - The tiny "three-bit bug" that wiped out telephone service for millions of customers on the East and West Coasts last summer was an isolated incident and not a symptom of trouble in the basic phone system, officials of Bell Atlantic Corp. and others said yesterday. In releasing the final report on the cause and cure of the phone outages, Bell Atlantic also said it was taking a number of steps to reduce the possibility of similar incidents in the future. "I believe we have eliminated the possibility of this kind of problem occurring," said John Seazholtz, Bell Atlantic vice president of technology and information services. Massive, and baffling, phone outages began afflicting Bell Atlantic and Pacific Bell last June 10. They continued frequently until July 2, each time taking millions of phones out of service. After days of round-the-clock, frantic efforts by hundreds of engineers and scientists, the failures were traced to software that ran the computers at points in the phone system called signal transfer points, or STPs. An STP may be compared to an intersection of two major highways. Nearly all phone traffic will have to pass through an STP to be routed to the correct destination. For economic reasons, each STP handles millions of calls. There are only eight pairs of STPs for all the millions of lines in Bell Atlantic's crowded service territory, which stretches from just south of New York through New Jersey and Pennsylvania to the District of Columbia and throughout Virginia. So crucial are STPs to phone operations that they are always linked in pairs. Each is supposed to be as "fail safe" as humanly possible. Last summer, however, relatively minor malfunctions, which the system should have been able to easily correct, triggered a congestion that shut the STPs down. Local phone traffic, which often does not have to pass through an STP, and much of the long-distance traffic, which is handed off to a long-distance carrier, were not affected. But medium-range calls could not get through. The culprit turned out to be a software "patch" or upgrade recently installed in the STPs by DSC Communications Corp. In a dramatic demon- stration of how vulnerable highly complex systems can be, the error turned out to be just three "bits" -- the smallest possible unit of computer instruction -- in programs that run as much as four million lines. Locating the incorrect bits has been comared to finding a single typrographical error in an entire book. Allen Adams, vice president of stategic planning for DSC, said yes- terday the software had been extensively tested before being installed. But in retrospect, he said, DSC did not test it to see how it would respond during times of routine computer failure and increasing phone traffic, the set of circumstances that set off last summer's outages. Bell Atlantic will take several steps to protect itself, Seazholtz said. The company will try for greater "diversity" in its computers and software, going to different manufacturers so that no flawed equipment from one manufacturer can shut down a network. And Bell Atlantic will gradually expand the number of STPs, he said, instead of trying to concentrate the maximum traffic through existing STPs. That way, the failure of one STP would affect relatively fewer calls. But others warn that similar-sized outages can't be ruled out. Allan M. Tumolillo, senior analyst for Probe Research in Cedar Knolls, N.J., notes that diversifying the types of equipment and software carries its own risks. "I'm reasonably sure that over the next several years, there will be another shutdown." Tumulillo said. Bill Zimmer - zim@ibx.com Independence Blue Cross Phila., PA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 23:34:33 -0500 From: "Carl P. Zwanzig" Subject: WECO / USOC Jacks There is usually some confusion regarding the proper terminology for the various Uniform Service Order Codes (USOC's) for interconnect jacks. Someone posted recently (sorry, I lost the original message) that an RJ-11 was 4c6p (four conductor, on a six position modular jack). Well, not really. The following USOC's use a six pin modular jack: RJ-11 T/R on pins 4/3 RJ-12 T/R on pins 4/3, A/A1 on pins 2/5 (where set must be in front of key equipment) RJ-13 same as RJ-12, set behind key equipment RJ-14 T1/R1 on 4/3, T2/R2 on 2/5 RJ-17 T/R on 1/6 RJ-19 T/R on 4/3, A/A1 on 2/5, MB/MB1 (make busy) on 1/6 RJ-25 T/R on 4/3, T2/R2 on 2/5, T3/R3 on 1/6 (BTW, I skipped a few.) The following USOC's use a eight pin modular jack: RJ-31 T/R on 5/4 T1/R1 on 8/1 (for alarm dialers) (jack has shorting bar) RJ-32 same as RJ-31 RJ-38 same as RJ-31, jack has connection between 2 and 7 to indicate that the plug is inserted RJ-45 T/R on 5/4, programming resistor on 7/8 ("Programmed Data Usage") (I skipped a few here also) This information can be found in many station hardware catalogs (I used Suttle Apparatus). Now will people stop refering to 3.5" floppies as "hard disks" ?? Carl Zwanzig zbang@access.digex.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 03:06:30 -0800 From: gast@CS.UCLA.EDU (David Gast) Subject: Telephone Economics (was PIC's From RBOC Payphones) > This argument ignores the fact that much of the infrastructure has > been built or substantially upgraded since divestiture. This was not > paid for with pre-competition dollars. Some was, some was not (depending on when it was built or upgraded). Some upgrade built after divestiture was paid for with dollars earned from pre-divestiture advantage. > This [ digital upgrade] was paid for by a succession of charges to > prematurely write down the undepreciated value in what was already > there. You sound like an accountant. From a financial standpoint, only cash matters. (See Copland and Weston (sp), for example). Non-cash charges against earnings do not pay for anything. The equipment was paid for when it was installed using some combination of debt and equity. (Sure ... maybe the checks were not written the precise moment of installation, but the idea is correct). > Note that what was already there was not fully depreciated in the > late 1980's so this is hardly stuff that was paid off with > pre-competition dollars. Was not paid off except by people with green eye shades. :-) If the equipment was installed pre-divestiture, then it was paid for pre-divestiture. On the other hand, (and you will like this part), the new equipment installed in the 1980s was paid for when it was installed. (It is not paid for over the life of the equipment. The situation is more complicated when the PUC sets rates, but by and large AT&T is now a competitive corporation, not a monopoly subject to FCC and PUC rulings on rates. Note: I said by and large, there is still some regulation). > Examples: Bell Labs results had to be made public. Oh, I hadn't heard that the Unix source code (pre-divestiture version, of course) was public. > Accomodation had to be made for interconnection with those areas > having independent local phone companies. There have been other ideas expressed on this topic; I know PAT has posted some, but not concerned with the 1980 time frame. > > If AT&T were deregulated tomorrow, it would lower its prices to cost > > for, say, one month -- and all its competitors would go bankrupt! > Last I heard, the anti-trust division of the U.S. Department of > Justice (which is not the rate regulatory stuff of the FCC) was alive > and well, even in a Republican administration. Such behavior would > attract their attention. The anti-trust division has been sleeping for ever since the Reagan administration took office with one major exception. The economic theorists in anti-trust, the White House, OMB, etc, just do not believe that momopoly can exist in an industry with free entry (defined in terms of ability, not cost). Never mind that the COST of entry can be huge. As a result and in spite of merger mania, there have been only a few cases where the anti-trust division blocked mergers or takeovers or filed anti-trust cases. They did not object, for example, when TWA bought Ozark airlines and in the process garnered something like 83% of the landing gates in St. Louis. And they have not objected to the proposed merger of BofA and Security Pacific Bank in spite of the fact that these are probably the two biggest (at least both are in the top 3) banks along the west coast. The merger will create the largest bank in the country and huge market share in the west. (The economic "geniuses" :-) in the OMB have not figured out why BofA wants to merge with Security Pacific instead of big bank in the East). The one major exception to a sleeping anti-trust division involved MA BELL, which is well known to have had a monopoly previous to divestiture, and as a result to have been heavily regulated. One reason for breaking up AT&T was to get the government out of regulating it. And don't forget, 1. AT&T and the Justice Department settled out of court. 2. The same day the out of court settlement was announced, the anti-trust case against IBM was dropped. (I posted an article in early January just before the 10th anniversary of the MFJ. The interested reader is refered there for additional information.) David ------------------------------ From: gip8@sci.kun.nl (gip cursus) Subject: Faster Protocol Needed Organization: University of Nijmegen Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 19:01:51 GMT Hello! I'm looking for some protocol like Zmodem or SEAlink that runs under UNIX. At the moment I'm using Kermit to get files from the university computer to my own PC at home and visa versa, but it's so SLOW. When I call a BBS I've got the oppertunity to use a protocol like Zmodem, Puma or even BiModem to get the files across. So what I'm looking for (in the PD software) is one (or more) of the following protocols that run under UNIX: Zmodem SEAlink Puma (not quite a standard, but it's fast) BiModem (nah, don't believe that it's available for UNIX, but it's worth a try) Regards, Patrick. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #154 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa16332; 21 Feb 92 21:55 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA21845 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 19:47:30 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA01480 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 19:47:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 19:47:21 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202220147.AA01480@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #155 TELECOM Digest Fri, 21 Feb 92 19:47:18 CST Volume 12 : Issue 155 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Things Looked Rosy for Western Union in 1960 - Part II (Jim Haynes) Capitol Hill Cellular Service (Jeffrey J. Carpenter) Status Wanted on GTE California Rate Changes (Robert L. McMillin) Need Help With Household Phone Problem (Elizabeth Schwartz) Handset Connectors (Bob Miller) 313 Split on the Way (Jim Rees) Acoustic Coupler Needed - Please Help! (Stuart Lea) Need Discount Source For NEC Cell Phones and Booster Kits (David C. Kovar) Can Directory Assistance Database Be Reached With Telnet? (Barry Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: haynes@cats.UCSC.EDU (Jim Haynes) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 22:52:16 -0800 Subject: Things Looked Rosy for Western Union in 1960 - Part II [Moderator's Note: This is part two of three parts of an article which appeared in {Business Week} magazine over thirty years ago, back in 1960. Part one appeared Friday morning; part three will appear here on Saturday morning. PAT] "-II. Leap to Modernization- "So, with its financial house in order, Western Union is in a position to take off in new directions to insure its future. And in many respects, never has there been so fortuitous a time for the company to modernize. "During the late 1940s and throughout the 1950s, startling progress has been made in electronics and communications technology. Two developments particularly were important to Western Union: (1) the perfection of high frequency radio relay system - microwave - which provided a logical and much less expensive way to increased long-distance facilities; and (2) development of computers and automatic electronic switching systems, which promised big increases in efficiency at high reliability levels. "-Big Jump- With much of its plant obsolete, Western Union was able to go from old manual systems to the most modern automatic equipment in one big jump. For example, in the 1940s almost all of Western Union's services were carried on telegraph channels of a very narrow frequency range of 170 cycles per second, providing a top communications speed of only 60 to 100 words a minute. Today, the company's nearly complete transcontinental microwave system will consist of two 6-million cycle channels capable of carrying broadband television, handling over 12,000 simultaneous telegraph messages, transmitting computer tapes at high speed, or carrying voice communication or facsimile. These so-called broad band signals can't be carried on ordinary wires, but require coaxial cable or ultra-high-frequency radio beam carriers. "Had its modernization started earlier and been more gradual, the company would have sought to increase its capacity slowly through intermediate steps. These would have been expensive and yet they would not have been able to provide the facilities the company now feels it needs. "-Decreasing Dependency- The new broad-band system also will reduce Western Union's dependence on other communications carriers. Western Union particularly has been dependent on the Bell System for leased facilities. In the early 1950s, about 70% of Western Union's circuit mileage was leased, mostly from AT&T. "Although the number of leased wires has not been reduced in absolute terms, today their proportion has decreased to about 60%. S. M. Barr, Western Union vice-president in charge of planning, expects this percentage to drop to 40% in the next few years, hopes to get the proportion of leased facilities down to 20% eventually. 'You can see the kind of growth we expect, then, if we see no reduction and a possible increase in the number of leased facilities,' he says. "The big increase in traffic that Western Union anticipates for its new system is not likely to come from public message services, which have been the backbone of its business. This type of service basically is tied to population growth, and to some extent to merchandising gimmicks such as singing birthday greetings, flowers and candy by wire, and other special services. [1] "-Private Expansion- But it does expect its private wire services to expand greatly. Here, particularly, Western Union's new facilities will be of help in solving communications problems for private customers. Western Union already has a good deal of savvy when it comes to tailoring a special system to a customer's needs. About 2,000 companies in the U.S. -- among them U.S. Steel, General Electric, Sylvania, and United Air Lines -- have private communications networks leased from Western Union. And its bank wire service interconnects 213 banks in 55 cities with pushbutton switching. "Western Union got into the private systems business without much selling effort. In most cases, it just waited for customers to come to it. But those days, like the days of the hand-operated message centers, are long since gone. "Now the company is pushing leased systems aggressively, and the results show it. In 1950, private wire revenues brought in $8-million, or about 5% of Western Union's message business. In 1959, private wires sang a $52.3-million tune on the cash register. It won't be long, Marshall believes, before the revenues from private wires top those from public message services. "-Meeting the Competition- Until recently, however, Western Union could not compete directly with AT&T's TWX network, which offers direct customer-to-customer teleprinter connection through a central exchange system similar to a telephone network. Several years ago, FCC gave Western Union permission to purchase TWX from AT&T, but the price was too high. Now, Western Union is expanding a roughly similar system called Telex that will offer direct customer-to-customer dialing. [2] "Besides direct dialing, the biggest difference between Telex and TWX is the method of billing customers. Telex customers are charged only for the time that the facilities are in use plus a 50-cent connection charge. A short order to a New York broker from, say, Chicago via Telex might be subject only to a 10-second time charge, compared with a three-minute basic charge on TWX. "-Growing Network- At present, Telex service is available only between New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. But before yearend, 19 more cities will be added. In 1961, it will cover 23 more cities, and management hopes to get approval from the board of directors to cover 128 cities by 1962." [1] One would think that a writer for such an astute publication as {Business Week} would have noted the price elasticity of personal communication. This would have suggested that the dropping price of long-distance telephony would devastate public Telegram service, as it did. [2] Dial Telex service began in Germany in 1933, just three years after AT&T introduced manual TWX service in the U.S. Telex used modified SxS telephone switching equipment. Western Union imported the European technology and equipment, even to the 50-baud teleprinters. One wonders if AT&Ts conversion to dial TWX was at all in response to competition from Telex, or if it was simply a matter of taking advantage of the switched telephone network for transmission. I assume that manual TWX calls were timed using Calculagraphs, just as voice calls were. Telex used a simpler charging mechanism, no doubt because it originated long before automated telephone billing. At the time a Telex call was set up the customer's charging register was connected to a pulse generator, the pulse rate depending on the distance to the called station. The charges could be reduced at night simply by slowing down the pulse generators. At least in Germany there were Telex PBXs in hotels; in this case the pulses were relayed to the PBX so that the hotel guest could be billed. Telex was always customer-dialed long-distance service. [Moderator's Note: Although telex was always customer-dialed, provision was made for an operator's help in completing a difficult connection. Dialing (was it? ) '17' from the telex unit connected the user to WU's 'manual assistance positions' in Bridgeport, MO. An operator there communicated with the user by typing back and forth on the keyboard, like a modern day 'chat', and the operator could then do what any telco operator could do: complete the connection, verify a busy terminal, busy circuits, out of order, or number not in service condition on the receiving end. In addition, the WU manual assistance operator was used to place 'collect' (reverse charge) connections and special or third-party billing. I think dialing '19' connected the user to WU directory assistance where help was given by 'chatting'. Part three of this article will appear in the Digest on Saturday. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 19:54:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeffrey J. Carpenter" Subject: Capitol Hill Cellular Service In the February 17, 1992 issue of "Roll Call" (a publication for Capitol Hill) there was mention of a special cellular phone service for Capital Hill users: Projects underway in [Senate Sergeant at Arms Martha] Pope's office include a five-digit cellular phone service. In "the final testing stages," according to Pope's statement, the new service will allow cellular users to dial Hill numbers by keying only the standard five-digit numbers that are used from Congressional phones on the Hill. These units will also be able to receive calls dialed on the phone system. The greatest advantage of this system is that "when long distance numbers are dialed [they are] completed over WATS facilities. This results in lower cost per minute," the statement said. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 22:27:41 PST From: rlm@ms_aspen.hac.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Status Wanted on GTE California Rate Changes Does anyone out there know what the status of the proposed California rate changes GTE and Pac*Bell requested last year? I have heard but little on TELECOM Digest about this, and wondered whether the state PUC has authorized the restructuring. (The restructuring to which I refer would cut daytime rates substantially at the expense of nearly everything else, primarily to compete against companies like Cable & Wireless, who provide local dialtone to businesses at prices markedly lower than what John Higdon once called "toastem" rates.) Robert L. McMillin | Voice: (310) 568-3555 Hughes Aircraft/Hughes Training, Inc. | Fax: (310) 568-3574 Los Angeles, CA | Internet: rlm@ms_aspen.hac.com ------------------------------ From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) Subject: Need Help With Household Phone Problem Organization: UMass/Boston Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 06:32:21 GMT My parents are having a problem which is driving us all NUTS ... They live in a narrow row house in Baltimore. Dad's study is in the basement and Mom's is on the second floor. Each has a telephone; each telephone works when used alone. The problem comes when I call them and they both get on the phone at once. Dad sounds fine; Mom sounds very faint-and-far-away to me. At *their* end, though, my mother complains that my Dad is shouting! (both are talking normally). As you can guess, this has wrecked a lot of conversations! My question is, does anyone recognize this pattern? Is there something we could do to perhaps filter one signal and boost another ... or is there possibly a problem with one of the phones??? I'd be very grateful for any help. Thanks! Betsy Schwartz Internet: betsys@cs.umb.edu System Administrator BITNET:ESCHWARTZ%UMBSKY.DNET@NS.UMB.EDU U-Mass Boston Computer Science Dept. Harbor Campus Boston, MA 02125-3393 [Moderator's Note: You did not say what kind of phones they are using, and if they are electronic, or more traditional units. That would help. Also, are the phones wired in series from the demarc, or parallel (if you happen to know.)? If in series, whose phone is first after the demarc and whose comes next? Answer what you can of this please. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 00:46:10 cst From: Bob.Miller@ivgate.omahug.org (Bob Miller) Subject: Handset Connectors Reply-To: bob.miller@drbbs.omahug.org Organization: DRBBS Technical BBS, Omaha I need some help locating PC mount handset jacks. I've tried MCM Electronics, South Hills Datacom, Inmac, Digi-Key and Radio Shack. Does anyone have a source? I need about seventy-five of them. Ybbat (DRBBS) 8.9 v. 3.13 r.5 DRBBS, Omaha. Farewell to Admiral Grace (200:5010/666.0) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 00:12:17 -0500 From: rees@dabo.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees) Subject: 313 Split on the Way Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 05:12:08 GMT Michigan Bell has announced plans to split the 313 area code in early 1994. The newspaper story claims that there are only two area codes left, and we'll get one of them. I thought we were already out, which would mean that we would get one of the new style (exchange-like) area codes. Is there in fact any traditional (or N10) area code left? The proposed split roughly follows Eight Mile Road, with Detroit, western suburbs, and Washtenaw county in 313, and northern suburbs in the new area code. ------------------------------ From: sl@sun.central-services.umist.ac.uk (Stuart Lea) Subject: Acoustic Coupler Needed - Please Help! Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England. Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 14:21:03 GMT I'm trying to get hold of an acoustic coupler at the moment for my PC -- You know the rubbery cup things! It has to be one of these, rather than the conventional modem as I'll be using it with a mobile phone. I cannot seem to lay my hands on one for love nor money. If anyone knows where I can lay my hands on one (very) cheaply I'd appreciate it. Someone out there must have one of these beasties hiding under a pile of rubbish. Alternatively, if anyone has one I could borrow for a month I would be very grateful. Thanks for reading, Stuart Lea------------Tel:+44 61 200 4768------Fax:+44 61 200 4019------------ JANET: sl@uk.ac.umist.cns UMIST University, INTERNET :sl%cns.umist.ac.uk@nsf-relay.ac.uk B18, Main Bldg., PO Box 88 ---#include -----------------------Manchester, UK M60 1QD ------------------------------ From: kovar@eclectic.com (David C. Kovar) Subject: Need Discount Source For NEC Cell Phones and Booster Kits Organization: Eclectic Associates, Inc. Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 19:57:03 GMT One in Boston is selling them for $500/$725 or thereabouts. One phone call found me the P300 for $525, but I suspect there might be something even cheaper out there. Also, I'd like to get a three watt booster for it, but they run about $600. What the heck?? I can buy a very nice three watt phone for $600! Of course, I can't buy two phones and get one number, so that's not really an option. But why do the boosters cost so much? Any way to get around this particular problem? The lowest price I've found so far for the P300, car kit, booster kit, and installation is $1250, which isn't too shabby since the same company was quoting me $525 for the phone, $300 for the car kit and installation, and $600 for the booster. But ... I'm still looking ... David C. Kovar Consultant Internet: kovar@eclectic.com Eclectic Associates AppleLink: ECLECTIC Ma Bell: 617-643-3373 MacNET: DKovar ------------------------------ From: cyclist@hubcap.clemson.edu (Barry Johnson) Subject: Can Directory Assistance Database Be Reached With Telnet? Organization: Clemson University Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 18:20:53 GMT One of our users came to me the other day asking if I knew of a database he could telnet to, that held names, phone numbers, and addresses of people in the US. He said he was looking for a online version of the database directory assistance uses when you dial 1-xxx-555-1212 in the US? Does anyone know of such a public system? Does AT&T have their stuff online somewhere? Any ideas? Thanks. Barry Johnson CTS Clemson University ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #155 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa17634; 21 Feb 92 22:31 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA00697 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 20:28:22 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA32030 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 20:28:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 20:28:07 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202220228.AA32030@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #156 TELECOM Digest Fri, 21 Feb 92 20:28:06 CST Volume 12 : Issue 156 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground (Monty Solomon) Cellular Calls From High Buldings (was: Airplanes) (Craig R. Watkins) Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground (Alan L. Varney) Re: FCC Allows Cellular Phones in Airplanes (Larry Svec) Re: Cellular NPA/NXX Tables (Dave Levenson) Re: Cellular NPA/NXX Tables (John R. Covert) Re: Cellular Phones and Safety (Andrew Klossner) Re: Ameritech Voicemail (Randall C. Gellens) Re: How Are Exchanges Assigned? (John R. Grout) Re: AT&T $20 Cash Offer (Roy Smith) Re: Phone Service to Cuba (Toby Nixon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 01:55:54 HST From: Monty Solomon Subject: Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground reb@ingres.com (Phydeaux) wrote: > I've used my cellphone countless times while sitting in an airplane on > the ground. No airline employee has ever told me that I could not do > this. As I understand it (yes, I know, highly scientific evidence) > the reason why use is prohibited in airplanes is because of the effect > on the cellular system if you hit many many cells at the same time, > *not* because it does anything to the instruments. A couple of months ago I was on a flight from Boston to SFO on United and had a long delay before departure. There was a lawyer sitting behind me who was having several lengthly cellular phone conversations with parties in California and was asked by a flight attendant to terminate the conversation so that we could take off. His cellular phone was somehow interferring with the plane's communication and/or navigation systems. He told the flight attendant that he "would be done in a minute" and she told him that we weren't leaving the gate until he hung up. He quickly complied and went and got an AirPhone to make several more calls. The information guide in the seat pocket specifically prohibited cellular phone usage as well as other RF devices like radios and TVs while on the plane. Monty Solomon roscom!monty@think.com ------------------------------ From: crw@icf.hrb.com (Craig R. Watkins) Subject: Cellular Calls From High Buldings (was: Airplanes) Date: 19 Feb 92 10:10:18 EST Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. > [Moderator's Note: I *have* used my cell phone from the observatory at > Sears Tower. > I saw no harm to the cellular system here as a result of my call ... > but what do I know? PAT] I'm not saying that there was any harm. However, if there was, I don't think that you would know. Being at a better vantage-point, your SAT tone might overpower another user's SAT tone in a distant (but line-of-sight to you) cell and cause his call to be disconnected. But it is unlikely that you would notice. Craig R. Watkins crw@icf.hrb.com HRB Systems, Inc. +1 814 238-4311 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 16:24:08 CST From: varney@ihlpf.att.com (Alan L Varney) Subject: Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground Organization: AT&T Network Systems In article our esteemed Moderator writes: > [Moderator's Note: I *have* used my cell phone from the observatory at > Sears Tower. The local expressway/traffic monitors for Chicago have > their office in the Sears observatory. They sit in a large room with > plate glass windows so that the public may peer in and see the various > hookups they have to radio stations using their services, etc. The stuff you see at Sears Tower are remote "monitors" connected to the Illinois Department of Transportation's Traffic Control Center (TCC), which has the computers driving the displays and providing all the radio station hook-ups, etc. TCC is located in Oak Park, overlooking the beautiful Eisenhower Expressway, with four PDP-11/70s monitoring the 2200 traffic sensors and 90+ entrance sensors buried beneath the Chicago Expressways. The PDPs tabulate the sensor data and forward it to a large VAX for actual processing, including algorithms that estimate the travel times over various Expressway sections. A recent IEEE-sponsored tour of TCC was very enlightening. The data collection equipment looks like a small telephone office (lots of wires, etc.) and their problems are similar (outside plant failures, etc.). Sensor data is transmitted by home-made Frequency Division units that stack 23(?) sensors onto leased telephone lines. TCC says they operate the most modern traffic monitoring system in the world, from humble beginnings in 1960. They believe their reports, coupled with rapid accident removal (the IDOT "Minutemen"), allow the expressways to carry 20% more traffic than un-monitored systems, and reduce travel times by allowing "flexible" travelers to choose another time or route. The entrance lights that control the entry rate in many areas serve to keep (where possible) the average traffic at about 25% density, which seems to yield minimum travel times with maximum throughput -- more cars actually reduce the total number of cars traveling a given distance within a given time. TCC also runs digitized voice information through low-power transmitters (at the far ends of the AM band) located at prime intersections of the expressways. Note that IDOT is not currently allowed to monitor area tollways; they're operated by another state agency. I can provide more if desired ... Al Varney - AT&T Network Systems, Lisle, IL [Moderator's Note: Sure, tell us more. PAT] ------------------------------ From: svec@rtsg.mot.com (Larry Svec) Subject: Re: FCC Allows Cellular Phones in Airplanes Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 17:53:18 GMT The following is half serious, half tongue in cheek... Since they no longer allow smoking in the USA, they could re-fit the NO-SMOKING lights on the overhead portion of the airplane to serve as Yes/No indicator for allowing phone calls, I can just hear the stewardess now over the loudspeaker ... (substituting "smoking" with "phone calls") "The captain has lit the "no cellular phone calls sign". Please return your flip phone to it's original upright position, and please refrain from phone calls until well inside the terminal". Larry Svec - KD9OF home: 708-526-1256 e-mail: uunet!motcid!svecl VHF: 145.150- work: 708-632-5259 fax: 708-632-3290 UHF: 443.575+ ------------------------------ From: dave@westmark.westmark.com (Dave Levenson) Subject: Re: Cellular NPA/NXX Tables Date: 20 Feb 92 16:34:37 GMT Organization: Westmark, Inc., Warren, NJ, USA In article , 73670.1164@CompuServe.COM (Robert Ricketts) writes: > Any help on where to obtain cellular NPA/NXX pairs would be much > appreciated. V&H data is optional - I'm mainly interested in the > NPA/NXX and wire center name. An indicator showing which system (A/B) > would also be useful but not required. In the NYC area, both NYNEX and CellularOne (formerly MetroOne) have several NXX codes assigned for their exclusive use. But they also both have some numbers assigned in prefixes which are also used for POTS, Centrex, and other non-cellular telephone services. I think this is common elsewhere. If I do business in Morristown, NJ (which is about 30 miles from New York City) I might request a number for my cell phone which is local when dialed from my business location or my customers' locations. They'd assign a number in Florham Park, NJ in the 201-822 exchange (for NYNEX). Lots of residence, business, and several centrex customers are also served out of the 822 prefix. The prefixes assigned exclusively to Cellular One are mostly local to Hackensack -- probably the location of their MTSO. Dave Levenson Internet: dave@westmark.com Westmark, Inc. UUCP: {uunet | rutgers | att}!westmark!dave Warren, NJ, USA Voice: 908 647 0900 Fax: 908 647 6857 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 08:59:56 PST From: John R. Covert Subject: Re: Cellular NPA/NXX Tables One problem with what you are looking for is that it is not always the case that NPA-NXXs are assigned entirely to cellular. Cellular phones can share NPA-NXXs with regular phones and even with the competing cellular carrier in the area. You'd need the data all the way down to the hundreds groups assigned to the various cellular carriers. /john ------------------------------ From: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com (Andrew Klossner) Subject: Re: Cellular Phones and Safety Date: 19 Feb 92 20:18:32 GMT Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com Organization: Tektronix, Wilsonville, Oregon In the city of Lake Oswego, Oregon, which owns most of the roads around my house, driving while talking on the phone can get you a $100 fine. I don't know whether this includes hands-free phones, although it's a moot point because such behavior can't be detected. In part because of this law, I usually pull over and stop when I get a phone call. (But I drive a stick shift, so it's not really safe for me to drive one-handed.) Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 09:08 GMT From: Randall C Gellens <0005000102@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Ameritech Voicemail In TELECOM Digest Volume 12 : Issue 108, the Moderator (Patrick A. Townson) discusses Ameritech Voice Mail Commands and Security Flaws: > After the message has played out, 5 to delete it; 7 to save it. Considering that the Aspen voice mail product (from Octel,I think) uses 7 to delete a message, and that Aspen is widely used by businesses, this seems an unfortunate choice, as people with Aspen at work and IBT RVMS at home will be likely to confuse 7 and end up deleting messages by accident. Of course, this is not as serious a risk of nonstandardization as airline flight controls which differ from model to model :-). Randy ------------------------------ From: grout@sp90.csrd.uiuc.edu (John R. Grout) Subject: Re: How Are Exchanges Assigned? Reply-To: j-grout@uiuc.edu Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 16:20:40 GMT Dave.Leibold@f524.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Leibold) writes: > In many cases, older step-by-step technologies will have > likely determined how exchanges would be assigned. For instance, it > was expensive to put in equipment to process extra number > combinations; "digit absorbing" was used instead. > For instance, an exchange with 523-xxxx numbers could be set up on a > step-by-step so that only the last four digits need be used to > complete a call to another 523-xxxx number. Thus, the digits 5, 2 and > 3 would be "absorbed" or ignored by the phone company equipment for > dialing purposes; only when the next digit comes along does the call > start to get routed (and that first digit cannot be a 5, 2 or 3 ... in > fact, in one exchange in my experience, you can dial absorbed digits > for hours and still complete the call once the last four digits start > to get dialed). Thus, it would not be possible to use other prefixes > such as 532 or 252 or 333 for a local call from such an exchange; > furthermore, care would have to be taken to avoid a conflict with > local calling (say 523-4xxx local numbers were in effect; you could > not put a 234-xxxx exchange in service without overhauling the service > on 523-xxxx since 234 would be interpreted as 523-4 ...) The cases of shortened dialing I've heard about didn't use this technique as you described it: instead, they had five digit dialing for some local calls and restricted the exchanges in the local calling area so the first digit one dialed (which would be the third digit of the exchange) would uniquely identify the call as a five-digit local call and that only four digits would follow. For example, if one's local exchanges were 225 and 227, no other seven-digit dialed exchanges in one's dialing area would be allowed to begin with 5 or 7. This would lead to complex patterns of exchange assignment: I never saw it used except in isolated areas where there were few exchanges in the local dialing area to consider. John R. Grout INTERNET: j-grout@uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 92 16:56:40 EST From: Roy Smith Subject: Re: AT&T $20 Cash Offer Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York) Dan Meyer writes about a little game he played with AT&T and MCI, switching back and forth, taking advantage of a "cash for switching" offer, and then being upset when it turned out to be hard to get switched back. > [Moderator's Note: I don't think you will be switched back. And, in my opinion, I don't think you *should* be switched back. Get real here. You deliberately took advantage of an apparant loophole in the wording of AT&T's offer. If you watch enough TV lawyer shows, you learn that to have a valid contract, you need to have a "meeting of minds", i.e. both parties have to understand and agree to the terms of the contract. You didn't have a meeting of minds, you deliberately attempted to violate the spirit of the agreement to your advantage because you thought you spotted a flaw in the letter of the agreement. You deserve what you get. Maybe the problem with the US is not that we have too many lawyers, but that we have too many people who are willing to take advantage of other people (or companies) just because they can. I can be half convinced that the people complaining about getting charged 900 rates for an 800 number are right (but only half convinced; they were telecom junkies who knew they were doing something wierd just to see what would happen) but not in this case. roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) Public Health Research Institute 455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA ------------------------------ From: Toby Nixon Subject: Re: Phone Service to Cuba Date: 19 Feb 92 13:15:54 GMT Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA In article , TONY@MCGILL1.BITNET (Tony Harminc) writes: >> {Relay calls via Canada?} >> Someone in Miami just tried this about a year ago. Once word got >> around to the exile community, he got busted rather quickly. > Sure -- but my point is that obviously a Canadian company can't be > busted in Canada under a US law. Who would they bust? The US > callers of the service? Surely in the good old, freedom loving, USA > it can't be illegal to make a phone call? International telecommunications treaties tightly regulate the routing of international calls through third countries. One thing few Americans realize is that our Constitution makes treaties "the supreme law of the land", once they are ratified by the Senate, with the same level of effect as the rest of the Constitution. Thus, I would not at all be surprised to find that one or more federal agencies would get involved in shutting down a service which "illegally" routed telephone calls in violation of "international law". Not to get too far of the subject, but that provision of the Constitution making treaties "supreme law" is one of the reason so many folks are opposed to US membership in the UN, and to such "treaties" as the UN Declaration of Human Rights (which gives governments many powers which our own Bill of Rights denies to the government). Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-840-9200 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | BBS +1-404-446-6336 AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon Fido 1:114/15 USA | Internet tnixon@hayes.com ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #156 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa18671; 21 Feb 92 23:01 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA06168 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 21:02:18 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA31609 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 21:02:02 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 21:02:02 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202220302.AA31609@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #157 TELECOM Digest Fri, 21 Feb 92 21:02:00 CST Volume 12 : Issue 157 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: GOSIP: Government Open Systems Information Profile (Bruce Clement) Re: GOSIP: Government Open Systems Information Profile (R. Kevin Oberman) Re: MCI Prefered and Modems (Toby Nixon) Re: Popular Communications Magazine in Braille (Michael Schuster) Re: WECo Modular Connector Naming (John R. Levine) Re: Caller ID Information Wanted (Toby Nixon) Re: Alternatives to MOH (Chris Arndt) Re: Pac*Bell Claims They Can't Help Me With Annoyance Calls (John Higdon) Re: Party Not Answering Phone (Michael Bender) Re: FCC Allows Cellular Phones in Airplanes (Andrew Klossner) Re: MOH - Is it a Violation of ASCAP & BMI? (Macy Hallock) Re: 1-800-HAIR (Robert L. McMillin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bclement@cavebbs.gen.nz (Bruce Clement) Subject: Re: GOSIP: Government Open Systems Information Profile Organization: Children of Ingle-Frey Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 01:39:05 GMT In article sr71@cbnewse.cb.att.com (michael.a.frank) writes: > been included. One last final thing, Great Britain has a form of > GOSIP, and any information concerning its differences with GOSIP would > be most helpful. Thanks in advance. I understand that there are minor differences between the UK GOSIP and the real thing (which was sorted out between the Australian & NZ Governments). There are also other variants of GOSIP used by various foriegn governments. The specs on the real thing should be available from either the Australian or NZ Government print shops. One in every major city. Bruce Clement speaking for truth, beauty, and the New Zealand way. ------------------------------ From: oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov Subject: Re: GOSIP: Government Open Systems Information Profile Date: 19 Feb 92 20:07:46 GMT In article , sr71@cbnewse.cb.att.com (michael.a.frank) writes: > I'm presently taking a course on ISDN, and our instructer wants us to > get information on on the Government Open Systems Interconnection > Profile (GOSIP). I thought the folks reading the the TELECOM Digest > might be of help to me. I'm looking for general information on > GOSIP,as well as the defining specifics and how ISDN requirements have > been included. One last final thing, Great Britain has a form of > GOSIP, and any information concerning its differences with GOSIP would > be most helpful. Thanks in advance. GOSIP does not deal in any way with ISDN. It does not exclude it. It simply doesn't cover it. If you have Internet access, the GOSIP documents are available from many NICs including NIC.ES.NET in the NIST directory. They cover the transistion of government networks to ISO protocols as per the Open Systems Interconnect (OSI) reference model. These protocols are scheduled to replace TCP/IP and DECnet over the next 4 years in government networking. GOSIP V1 is now in effect for federal procurements. I don't recall when V2 takers effect, but it's pretty soon. NB: The NSAP format specified in V1 does not work! It is fixed in V2. The UK GOSIP is very similar to the US one, except it calls for X.25 instead of CLNP as the network layer protocol. R. Kevin Oberman Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Internet: oberman1@llnl.gov (510) 422-6955 Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing and probably don't really know anything useful about anything. ------------------------------ From: Toby Nixon Subject: Re: MCI Prefered and Modems Date: 19 Feb 92 13:04:52 GMT Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA In article , 0003749269@mcimail.com (Alan Burnstine) writes: > I use MCI account codes with my modem with no trouble. What you need > to do is enter a W between the dialed number and the account code. The W > is the Hayes symbol to wait for second dial tone. This will only work > if your modem is set to X4 either as the default or in your > initialization. x1 - x3 will not recognize the second tone. Actually, the opposite is true, at least in Hayes modems. The "W" command is an explicit request to wait for a second dial tone, and it does so without regard to the value of the X command; it will issue a NO DIALTONE result code if S7 expires before the second dial tone is heard, even if dial tone detection is "disabled" by X. All the X command controls is whether or not automatic wait for initial dial tone is done when the modem first goes off hook. Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-840-9200 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | BBS +1-404-446-6336 AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon Fido 1:114/15 USA | Internet tnixon@hayes.com ------------------------------ From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster) Subject: Re: Popular Communications Magazine in Braille Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1992 17:47:29 GMT Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY In article martin@cod.nosc.mil (Douglas W. Martin) writes: > Starting with the April issue, NLS will be producing {Popular > Communications} as a new braille magazine. This magazine covers > subjects such as short-wave listening, scanners, CB, ham radio, > cellular telephones, and other communications topics. If you are > getting QST from NLS already, and are known to be a braille reader, > you will automatically be on the mailing list. If you do not meet > those criteria, but are interested in getting this magazine free, > contact your cooperating braille/talking book library. Now if there were only something in Popular Communications ("Poop Can" to the savvy) worth reading. A lot of us have grown so tired of old news and of Tom Kneitel's "sthick" that we've migrated to Monitoring Times ... a far more timely and palatable publication, IMHO. ____________________________Mike Schuster_____________________________ NY Public Access UNIX: schuster@panix.com | 70346.1745@CompuServe.COM The Portal (R) System: schuster@cup.portal.com | MCI Mail,GEnie: MSCHUSTER ------------------------------ Subject: Re: WECo Modular Connector Naming Organization: I.E.C.C. Date: 19 Feb 92 11:06:17 EST (Wed) From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) In article you write: > Well, a Graybar Telecom catalog I have here, admittedly not an > authoritative source, lists that as an RJ-14. Four position, four > conductor. Close, but not quite. An RJ-14 is the same physical jack as the familiar RJ-11, but with two separate phone lines wired to it. I have an RJ-14 under my desk here, as I imagine many of the other people reading this message do. The handset cord uses a slightly smaller connector. According to my old Armiger catalog, the jack for the handset cord is a 616W, the cord is an H4 or H4DU, and the handset itself with a jack is a G15. Handset parts don't get RJ numbers because they don't interface to the network, they merely connect parts of the phone together. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl ------------------------------ From: Toby Nixon Subject: Re: Caller ID Information Wanted Date: 19 Feb 92 13:30:05 GMT Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA In article , aa588@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eddie Anthony) writes: > What exactly has to be "in place" for Caller ID to work? I see a box > advertised in the Tenex catalogue for $50 that shows who's calling you > but with the disclaimer that it might not work in all areas. Now, here > in Cleveland, I believe that the police departments have it on their > phones to trace the cranks and the suicide calls and such, but can the > necessary circuitry be in place for JUST the police departments or > would it have to be implemented for a whole system? Enhanced 911 systems DO NOT use the same technology as Caller ID. With Enhanced 911, there is a high-speed leased line from the phone company database (which has subscriber addresses) directly into the police department's dispatch computer. When a call comes into the police, the calling number information goes to the database computer, which looks up the subscriber information (name, address, etc.) and sends it through the separate out-of-band connection to the police's computer; the call and the information arrive at about the same time, but through different routes. Caller ID is delivered on the same line as the actual call, by sending modulated data between the first and second rings. It is an entirely different technology from Enhanced 911. I suppose in some small rural police and fire departments they might use Caller ID because they can't afford to pay for an E911 system, but they also will get only the number and not the name or address (which doesn't help them to get to the fire faster, but only to prosecute false alarms). Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-840-9200 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | BBS +1-404-446-6336 AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon Fido 1:114/15 USA | Internet tnixon@hayes.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 11:13:45 -0800 From: carndt@nike.calpoly.edu (Chris Arndt) Subject: Re: Alternatives to MOH Right after I mailed the post about NOAA weather radio on hold, I called Winnebago Industries in Iowa to order some motorhome parts. I got the much lamented "Winnebago ... can you hold? (click)" The "M"OH was a local radio station with a FARM REPORT format. I started the stopwatch, and after 33 minutes, I called the same 800 number on a different line. (I left the first one on hold.) I explained my dilemma to the reception person answering. I heard a phone ringing in the background. Curiously, it stopped ringing after I hung up my first call. Anyway, I now know more about hog bellies, grain futures and Iowa weather than I care to! (Oops, I 'know' more not 'no' more. :-) ) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Pac*Bell Claims They Can't Help Me With Annoyance Calls Date: 19 Feb 92 10:43:36 PST (Wed) From: john@mojave.ati.com (John Higdon) ericd@caticsuf.CSUFresno.EDU (Eric W. Douglas) writes: > 1) Pac*Bell can trace these calls right? I've been keeping up with > Telecoms articles on the advancements of call tracing ... so why > would this person lie to me? (Or why would they refuse to rectify > the problem from their end?) Not only can Pac*Bell trace the call, it can set up a "trap" which holds the connection so that it can be traced at leisure. However, except in cases of criminal intent or harassment, the company has no interest in wasting its time or resources for such a non-revenue producing activity. Pac*Bell does not have to worry about keeping you happy; where else are you going to go for telephone service? > 2) What kind of data equipment makes a 1.5 sec (5k-8kHz) beep, then > pauses for an equal amount of time, then repeats? (The supervisor > said something of FCC approval of "junk faxes") More puzzling than that is how on earth did you hear frequencies of 5-8K over a phone line? Virtually all calls in Pac*Bell go in and out of offices via digital carrier which has a brick wall response limit at just above 3 KHz. Also, if you are any distance at all from the CO, the loading coils will kill anything above 5 KHz. Could you be just a little off on those frequencies? John Higdon (hiding out in the desert) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 11:58:39 PST From: Michael.Bender@Eng.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Party Not Answering Phone On the subject of busy being generated as close to the originating caller as possible, I've often wondered why, when the called subscriber goes on hook, the busy indication doesn't go away and change to a ringing indication, as well as ringing the called subscriber's phone? It would seem, with SS7 at least, that this would not tie up trunks, just a signalling channel. But then I suppose you get into the problem of which caller gets ringing indication if multiple callers call a busy subscriber ... Mike [Moderator's Note: The answer is, the *first* one waiting would get through and the others would continue to wait. PAT] ------------------------------ From: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com (Andrew Klossner) Subject: Re: FCC Allows Cellular Phones in Airplanes Date: 19 Feb 92 20:29:02 GMT Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com Organization: Tektronix, Wilsonville, Oregon > The parties overwhelmingly agree that the airborne use of cellular > telephones would likely cause interference to cellular operations ... > Cellular telephones shall not be operated in airplanes, balloons or > any other aircraft capable of airborne operation while airborne. Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to just how a cell phone in a hot-air balloon could interfere with cellular operations? Does the cell seize up if radio waves arrive from outside the ground plane? Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 23:58 EST From: fmsys!macy@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu (Macy Hallock) Subject: Re: MOH - Is it a Violation of ASCAP & BMI? Organization: The Matrix > At any rate, could it be possible that by "re-broadcasting" this music > it's violating the royalty contracts of the various artists? You bet it is. Last time I checked, ASCAP charged $100 per trunk per year. Never checked BMI. Of course Muzak also has a charge for hooking up their service to your MOH. That means that every time the phone system owner tells the phone installer to just hook up the MOH to the Muzak tuner, a violation is occuring. We do not sell FM tuners on our PA systems nor radios for MOH use to protect ourselves from liability exposure ... How to get around this? You can buy a CD of "cleared" music for about $300. Hook this up to your MOH and you are legit ... with no monthly charge. We get our custom music on hold with messages recorded by a production house. I made sure we have a letter on file from them assuring us that they only use "cleared" music for this purpose ... along with a backup letter from the music service they use. BTW -- ASCAP told me that BMI seldom enforces their MOH rights, but that ASCAP can and will do so agressively. Odd comment, they are apparently not too friendly competitors ... Regards, Macy M Hallock Jr N8OBG 216.725.4764 macy@fmsystm.uucp macy@fmsystm.ncoast.org [No disclaimer, but I have no real idea what I'm saying or why I'm telling you] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 00:30:15 PST From: rlm@ms_aspen.hac.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Re: 1-800-HAIR Bob Izenberg writes on Tue, 18 Feb 92: >> As one of the "fillers" on tonights 5 pm news (WNBC-TV, New York City) >> the female anchor (Sue Simmons) mentioned her changed hair style. > Was it good taste or merely technologically simpler times that kept > WNBC from using an 800 number (the acronym is left to the reader's > imagination) to ask us whether Sue Simmons should have the breast > reduction surgery that she was contemplating a few years ago? One might equally wonder in Los Angeles, where a pretty face is worth millions, why KCBS has been so delinquent in holding a similar contest -- for a different reason -- for Bree Walker, co-anchor of the evening news. A genetic defect mangled her hands at birth, a fact which seems to have upset many people only after she announced that she and her husband and co-anchor planned to have a child. So do we get 800-BAD-HAND and 800-YES-KIDS as the alternatives? ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #157 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa21710; 22 Feb 92 0:40 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA10014 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 22:32:27 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA27131 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 22:32:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 22:32:17 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202220432.AA27131@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #158 TELECOM Digest Fri, 21 Feb 92 22:32:16 CST Volume 12 : Issue 158 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas (Alan L. Varney) Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas (Steve M. Hoffman) Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas (Bill Berbenich) Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas (Ken Abrams) Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas (Tim Russell) Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas (Stuart Lynne) Re: What is This Box Under The Pay Phone? (Michael Rosen) Re: What is This Box Under The Pay Phone? (Roy M. Silvernail) Re: Information Wanted on Cellular Service in NYC Area (David E. Sheafer) Re: Information Wanted on History of Muzak (Chris Campbell) Re: Jobs, FTP and Other Trivia (TELECOM Moderator) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 07:42:41 CST From: varney@ihlpf.att.com (Alan L Varney) Subject: Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas Organization: AT&T Network Systems In article telecom@eecs.nwu.edu (PAT, aka TELECOM Moderator) writes about his efforts to "capture" Caller ID data. A dozen or so replies were published, mostly speculation such as: (from Jacob DeGlopper) "As I understand it, Caller-ID is not sent using the standard 1200 baud tone pairs, and therin lies your problem." (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) "... is there any chance that it's a synchronous packet that's being sent?" And in article tell@cs.unc.edu (Stephen Tell) writes: > Once you get a modem that understands the [Bell 202] encoding, > you'll get recognizable ASCII on your terminal. Since such a > modem can "mod" as well as "dem" the Bell 202, you would probably then > be more than half way to constructing a "caller-ID simulator." Just > detect the first ring and squirt out the data right after it. A CNID > reciever tester could probably be built from a phone-line simulator, > the old modem, and a tiny bit of software on the PC. Steve was probably closest to a complete answer to the "capture" data problem, but needs to recognize that phrases such as "... squirt out the data right after [the first ring]" is an inadequate specifica- tion for constructing a "Caller-ID simulator", or by implication, a Caller-ID receiver. There are published specs for the CPE (Customer Prem. Equipment), and I would urge anyone really interested in doing anything beyond what Pat attempted to buy them. TR-TSY-000030, "SPCS Customer Premises Equipment Data Interface" (Issue 1, Nov. 1988, $25) from Bellcore [FSK, etc. details] TR-TSY-000031, "CLASS(sm) Feature: Calling Number Delivery" (Issue 3, Jan. 1990, $30) [format of messages for Caller-ID] EIA Specification RS-470 [allowable DC resistance and AC impedance for an on-hook CPE.] This might also be in FCC regs.? Bellcore's documents are available via phone: 1-800-521-CORE or +1 908 699 5800 (FAX orders: +1 908 699 0936) -- Visa, MC and AMEX Or via check/money order (US funds + sales tax) or plastic at: Bellcore Customer Service 60 New England Avenue Piscataway, NJ 08854-4196 When ordering from Bellcore, (1) ask for a copy of their latest catalog [if you NEED it], (subscribers to the Bellcore Digest - $60 - 12 issues/year automatically get a catalog each year), (2) [if using the telephone] comment on their automated answering system, (3) also ask for a copy of TA-NPL-000912, "Compatibility Information for Telephone Exchange Service" (Issue 1, Feb. 89, TAs are usually free) which replaced PUB 61100, "Description of the Analog Voice-band Interface between the Bell System Local Exchange Lines and Terminal Equipment" (pre-divestiture document), and, (4) complain that their latest catalog dropped the Bellcore Replacement Index, which was three pages of dense listings, showing the Bellcore publication(s) that replaced pre-divestiture documents. As the item (3) above shows, Bellcore changes the titles of replacement documents, so that it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine if Bellcore has replaced pre-divestiture documents or just "dropped" them. Al Varney -AT&T Network Systems Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Bellcore, other than as a customer of their expensive documents and contact for their questions. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 09:04:07 CST From: steveh@orange.rtsg.mot.com (Steve M. Hoffman) Subject: Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group A couple of friends and myself are trying to build a cheapo caller-id interface to a computer using a MC145447 chip, nine capacitors, six resistors, four diodes, an oscillator, and a buffer IC. I'll let you know if it works and give you our circuit design. Since we don't have caller-id available yet on our switch, there's no real urgency for us to get this circuit finished too soon. Steve Hoffman Software Engineer - Motorola Inc. email: steveh@isdgsm.rtsg.mot.com International Subscriber Division GSM ph: 1.708.632.2588 All opinions are my own. Big corporations have none. fax: 1.708.632.2545 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 15:08:49 GMT From: bill@eedsp.gatech.edu (Bill Berbenich) Reply-To: bill@eedsp.gatech.edu If you can get access to Compu$erve, there are a couple of files in IBMCOM, under (not sure of this next part) the modem hardware file area that can show you how to add a serial output to a typical CID display. I cannot attest for the hack, however. I have not tried it or known anyone who has, so use discretion. Bill Berbenich, School of EE, DSP Lab Georgia Tech, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{backbones}!gatech!eedsp!bill Internet: bill@eedsp.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: kabra437@athenanet.com (Ken Abrams) Subject: Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas Organization: Athenanet, Inc., Springfield, Illinois Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 23:30:38 GMT In article telecom@eecs.nwu.edu (TELECOM Moderator) writes: > Has anyone experimented successfully with getting Caller-ID data > displayed on their terminal? If so, please tell me what I am doing > wrong. Am I not getting the parity or stop bits correct? Is the modem > at fault somehow, scrambling up or misunderstanding what is coming in? I don't know the whole story but I think I can explain why your modem connection didn't work. The term MODEM itself stands for "modulate- demodulate"; all the signals a modem "reads" are impressed in some form (modulated) on a base carrier frequency. The first thing a modem must do is detect that base carrier frequency for a short but descrete period of time, often one to two seconds of continuous tone is required for a "carrier detect" to occur. Even if you force the CD active this does not remove the requirement for the modem electronics to "sync" on the base carrier. Even if the CID data is really impressed on the standard 1200 baud base carrier frequency, the duration of the tone is not long enough for a standard modem to deal with. A few specially designed modems are available that are able to deal with CID but I don't see any way that a "standard" unit would ever be able to cope with the short burst. Ken Abrams nstar!pallas!kabra437 Springfield, IL kabra437@athenanet.com (voice) 217-753-7965 ------------------------------ From: trussell@isis.cs.du.edu (Tim Russell) Subject: Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 22:01:33 GMT elmo@netcom.com (Eliot Moore) writes: > Suggest you save your sanity: buy a Caller-ID-to-RS232 kit. $45.50 > from IMC, 1-800-992-3511. Or better yet (possibly, if you haven't already bought a modem), Dallas Fax at 1-800-876-8581 has an internal half-card 2400 modem with 9600 send/ receive fax, MNP5 and V.42bis, and answering machine features, PLUS Caller ID decoding, for $149. Geez, these things are getting cheap. Anyone tried this one? Tim Russell Omaha, NE trussell@isis.cs.du.edu ------------------------------ From: sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) Subject: Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas Organization: BC News and Mail Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 21:23:30 GMT In article tnixon@hayes.com (Toby Nixon) writes: > In article , telecom@eecs.nwu.edu > (TELECOM Moderator) writes: >> So far, so good. Now how to capture or read that data ... we know from >> the Telecom Archives file 'caller.id.specs' that the data is sent at >> 1200 baud in ASCII. So I plugged a modem into the tapped line, and set >> it for 1200 baud. > It's not Bell 212 or V.22, which are the modulation schemes normally > used for full-duplex data transmission in PC-type modems. Caller ID > uses Bell 202, which is a half-duplex modulation scheme. A Bell 212 Or wait a while for the latest generation of modems to come out. For example the new Supra's use the new Rockwell fax/data pumps and will support CallerID in the near future (the hardware is willing the software is weak, Rockwell should have it by spring with luck). Stuart Lynne Computer Signal Corporation, Canada ...!van-bc!sl 604-937-7785 604-937-7718(fax) sl@wimsey.bc.ca ------------------------------ From: Michael.Rosen@samba.acs.unc.edu (Michael Rosen) Subject: Re: What is This Box Under The Pay Phone? Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1992 21:59:27 GMT I believe you are referring to a TDD terminal. I saw one of these at the train station at home a while back. I'm not sure about the red light blinking that you spoke about, I didn't use the phone in question. I'm not exactly sure how these work. Somehow, if you wish to make a TDD call, you can get the box to open and a terminal I think is exposed. I believe the handset is then placed on a holder on the side of the phone booth maybe. Has anyone seen one of these used to explain it better? Mike ------------------------------ Subject: Re: What is This Box Under The Pay Phone? From: cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 20:56:56 CST Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN Nigel.Allen@f438.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Nigel Allen) writes: [in response to my asking about a silver box under the payphone] > Perhaps what's hidden in the panel is a TDD or ASCII keyboard. The > panel would open when it detects a modem carrier. This would be > extremely useful (in the case of a TDD) for the hearing-impaired and > for obsessive modemers like myself if it's an ASCII keyboard attached > to a 2400 bps modem. I've also received a couple of mail responses to this inquiry, as well. The box is, indeed, a TTY/TDD keyboard. I was able to confirm it today by calling a TDD number. I didn't think to try a standard BBS number, but the keyboard didn't move out until the TDD started sending characters ... the leading carrier tone was ignored. I don't think it will connect to a standard modem. Thanks to all who responded! Roy M. Silvernail |+| roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1992 19:33:57 EST From: David E. Sheafer Reply-To: nin15b0b@merrimack.edu Subject: Re: Information Wanted on Cellular Service in NYC Area I am in Boston most of the calls would be coming from people in Boston. Here are some questions: - NYNEX or Metro One, which company should I go with? I have been a satisfied customer of NYNEX for over a Year. I have never used Metro One, but have heard that it is not a great system - FMR roaming: is it true that I have to turn it on *every day*? What is the availability in CT and RI? Are there any alternatives to FMR roaming for getting calls while I am on the road? Yes, FMR has to be activated once a day. If you get a Nynex Mobile - New England you will have no problem in RI. Nynex Mobile - New England encompasses MA (except for Springfield), all of RI and Southern NH. So you will automatically recieve calls if you are in RI, MA and Southern NH at your normal rates. In CT and Springfield MA you would be Roaming on the SNET network and would have to activate Follow-me-Roaming while in this area. When Roaming on the SNET network NYNEX charges .75/minute and they do not charge a daily fee when you using the SNET network. ------------------------------ From: chrisc@kether.webo.dg.com (Chris Campbell) Subject: Re: Information Wanted on History of Muzak Date: 20 Feb 92 18:19:47 Organization: NSDD, Data General Corp. On 11 Feb 92 02:27:18 GMT, zank@netcom.netcom.com (Mathew Zank) said: Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.130.10 > Does anyone know where I can buy a used SCA FM Radio?, If anyone has > one laying around I be more then happy to take it off your hands! I'd also be interested in sources for one of these. Any ideas? Thanks! Chris [Moderator's Note: I must point out the FCC regs say it is illegal to use an SCA radio unless you are a qualified listener. A qualified listener is one who has paid the fee required by the company transmitting the specialized information being heard there. Other qualified listeners would include persons who have been certified as visually or print handicapped. They can listen to the various reading services operating there. By the by, an SCA tuned for a service like Muzak is different than one tuned for a service like CRIS Radio. The former has a squelch circuit which kicks in between songs. If you take an SCA tuned for a reading service and are smart enough to get inside; change the crystal for Muzak's frequency and diddle the trim pots a little you'll get Muzak alright ... and an annoying hiss (or sometimes even a little of the main carrier audio!) which lasts several seconds between each selection. If you prefer to illegally build your own, tuneable SCA, (most are crystal controlled and fixed on the SCA service for which they were built) then take any el-cheapo Walkman-like unit *with stereo* and the little light which indicates when a stereo transmission is on the air. Get inside and look for the product detector. You'll need a 555 chip which you can get from Radio Shack. Switch between AM/FM/SCA using the little three way switch on the radio for AM/FM/AFC. You don't need the AFC or the stereo indicator light anyway. I'll leave it to your vivid imagination how to wire it all up. PAT] ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Jobs, FTP and Other Trivia From: TELECOM Moderator (telecom@eecs.nwu.edu) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 03:40:17 CST Someone recently wrote me asking about a mail server for the Telecom Archives. > Is the ftp by mail service still available for the telecom archives? > If so could you please supply the details again. Alternatively has > anyone got details of the Princeton/Dec ftp service? I responded: > [Moderator's Note: The 'FTP by Mail' service is still available. > Write to doug@letni.lonestar.org (Doug Davis) for details. Or perhaps > I will post his help file here if he will send me a new, updated > version. The one I have goes back to last May. There are various > other email/ftp servers around also, and I hope someone will write > with an updated list of these sometime soon. PAT] As I review the index from letni, I see it really is quite out of date. It might be better to begin using some other mailserver until or unless letni gets up to date. DEC (Digital Equipment Corp) has an FTP mailserver. For information send a message to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com with help in the body. I haven't used it yet except to get the help file, but instead of an archive like most it supposedly lets you FTP from other hosts and mails the files back to you. (I'm tempted to try it with the Telcom Archives). For more information about mail servers read look for the latest version of the following article ... Newsgroups: comp.sources.wanted,alt.sources.wanted,news.answers From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) Subject: How to find sources (READ THIS BEFORE POSTING) Message-ID: Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1992 08:00:17 GMT Expires: Thu, 13 Feb 1992 08:00:07 GMT I hope this offers a little help to people without Internet access who wish to use the Archives, which are located at lcs.mit.edu. PAT ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #158 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa23616; 22 Feb 92 1:36 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA16750 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 23:31:13 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA16262 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 21 Feb 1992 23:31:02 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 23:31:02 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202220531.AA16262@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #159 TELECOM Digest Fri, 21 Feb 92 23:30:59 CST Volume 12 : Issue 159 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary (Willie Smith) Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary (Randy Bush) Re: Kansas City Sysops and Southwestern Bell (Rob Stampfli) Re: More on Telcos and BBSs (Reginald Hirsch) Telco Data Services (Bud Couch) Re: Pac*Bell Claims They Can't Help Me With Annoyance Calls (Andrew Green) Re: Pac*Bell Claims They Can't Help Me With Annoyance Calls (M. Galloway) Re: MOH, Bad Manners, Poor Throughput, and Sprint (Wolfgang S. Rupprecht) Re: Question on NY Tel's Capabilities (Lars Poulsen) Re: Hookup Charges - Are They Ripping us Off? (Ken Abrams) Re: Non-Local Internet Access (J. Philip Miller) Re: Help Wanted Wiring Western Union Clock (Jim Rees) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pictel!!wpns@uunet.uu.net (Willie Smith) Subject: Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary Organization: PictureTel Corporation Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1992 22:59:49 GMT > [Moderator's Note: Oh, I don't think 'within a month or two' anyone > would go off line who hadn't planned on it in the first place, let > alone 'most of the BBSes'. Somehow I think they would survive. PAT] Respectfully, Pat, I have to disagree. It's been a while since I was into the BBS scene, but at the time, most of them were run by teenagers in their bedrooms in their spare time on 'obsolete' hardware, and paying for the incoming-only phone lines was enough of a burden that business rates would shut them right down. I would expect half of the BBSs in Massachusetts would disappear within a month of such a rate hike. I don't know how I feel about the rest of this issue (are they businesses, are they 'using more resources' than a 'normal' line, etc), but I do know that even the most popular ones are run for the cost of a phone line, power, and some spare time. Willie Smith wpns@pictel.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 01:18 PST From: randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) Subject: Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary > If Wagner "continues to receive income from the LINES in question", > I'd like to see Mr. Bush present to us some evidence to back this > statement up. Try the monthly statement of the FidoNet Net-1:105 echomail fund and the FidoNet Region-1:17 echomail fund, which pay the bill for at least one of the lines in question. If you really need a copy of these statements, write to Bob Hay 1:105/54.3 aka bob.hay@p3.f54.n105.z1. fidonet.org, treasurer of those funds. If it ain't going to Tony's phone bill, then a whole lot of us are gonna be pissed off at Bob Hay if we can find him. :-) But enough of the net.hysteria. The PUC will decide what it decides based on whatever PUCs decide these things. And then we down here in Oregon can sort out the mess that's left. While you and what's his face up in Seattle are learning to make net.novice ad homina, it would help if you knew more of what you were talking about. randy ------------------------------ From: colnet!res@cis.ohio-state.edu (Rob Stampfli) Subject: Re: Kansas City Sysops and Southwestern Bell Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 05:19:02 GMT > here (Ameritech -- Illinois/Indiana/Michigan/Ohio/Wisconsin) they > start to ask questions if you order more than two (I have three) and > may require an "inspection" to ensure that you aren't running a > business. Centrex? Not tariffed for residential. Period. No mixing > measured and unmeasured service, either. It is my understanding that Ameritech (at least in Ohio) recently changed their tarriffs to allow mixing measured and unmeasured service. I have a friend that has four lines at his residence (installed with no hassles) and he just converted them to two unmeasured, two measured (actually time- and-distance), again with no hassles. Rob Stampfli, 614-864-9377, res@kd8wk.uucp (Internet), kd8wk@n8jyv.oh (AMPR) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: More on Telcos and BBSs From: reginald.hirsch@yob.sccsi.com (Reginald Hirsch) Date: 19 Feb 92 19:46:00 GMT Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Reply-To: reginald.hirsch@yob.sccsi.com (Reginald Hirsch) > [Moderator's Note: Oh, not really. Even though the Bells are all now > separate, they still are very cozy and close. Look at how CLASS > features such as Caller-ID was proposed and implemented in the > various states. The Bells all still stay in close contact with each > other. PAT] Yes but they swore to me it was not a unified effort. . [Moderator's Note: I'm sure you believed them. If you don't think the telcos are all to one another in their planning of new features, services and tariffs, try to find an example of it. Yes, in small very minor matters they go their own way, and the features they offer are known by different names in different places, but they all seem to come about at the same time. PAT] ------------------------------ From: kentrox!bud@uunet.uu.net Subject: Telco Data Services Organization: Kentrox Industries, Inc. Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 23:52:54 GMT In article karn@UCSD.EDU (Phil Karn) writes: > Other service providers, who *do* understand data, can use the telco's > digital leased lines to build the kind of packet-switched networks > that their users really want. The Internet's backbone and regional > networks are the best example, but there are also many private and > corporate packet-switched networks. > But when the telcos themselves get involved in data switching, you get > brain-damaged circuit-switched services like ISDN. Tell them you want > packet switching, and they'll give you X.25. And even these clumsy I'm not at all sure of the telco's dedication to the concept, but have you looked at SMDS? There are a bunch of field trials going on right now, and if the service is funded sufficiently (my reason for the "dedication" caveat above), it will be a real competitor for the packet switch data business. Basically, what it does is to move the router back into the switching network where it really belongs. > I confess to some doubts in advocating radio bypass of the telephone > companies, as radio spectrum is a very precious resource. It is > usually preferable to use copper or fiber for fixed applications, I think that SMDS is the answer to your doubts, since the present units are running over T1 links, and the next generation will be at T3 or SONET over fiber. As a telecom-oriented hardware engineer who has been sliding into the data domain for about ten years now, it's very easy to see why the telcos have not been very anxious to get into the data business ... it's just too darn complicated. The telecom industry's changes introduced by SPC offices has created the technical (read: software) infrastructure necessary to allow them to even think about a service such as SMDS. Bud Couch - ADC/Kentrox If my employer only knew... standard BS applies ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 12:45:30 CST From: acg@HERMES.DLOGICS.COM Reply-To: acg@hermes.dlogics.com Subject: Re: Pac*Bell Claims They Can't Help Me With Annoyance Calls ericd@caticsuf.CSUFresno.EDU (Eric W. Douglas) writes: > Last weekend I had a few oddities on my private phone line. I get home > Friday night, and my answering machine indicates a call has been > recorded. When I playback, I get a cycling beep, which continues for > an infinite amount of time (I had my machine set to VOX instead of > 1min) > 2) What kind of data equipment makes a 1.5 sec (5k-8kHz) beep, then > pauses for an equal amount of time, then repeats? (The supervisor > said something of FCC approval of "junk faxes") Whatever it was, it's a perfect description of what I got on my machine at that same time up here northwest of Chicago. I've still got part of it saved on tape (I think). Never heard it before or since last Friday. Possibly space aliens trying to contact Elvis? :-) This is a long shot, but I compared our phone number with the one that Eric told me is on his machine, and although they don't match, they're both arrangements of 5, 7, 8 and 9. (Well, ours has a 1 in it, too.) Hmmm ... I wish I had Caller I.D. or Last Call Return right about now. We've got AT&T for long distance, if anyone thinks that might be relevant. Andrew C. Green (312) 266-4431 Datalogics, Inc. Internet: acg@dlogics.com 441 W. Huron UUCP: ..!uunet!dlogics!acg Chicago, IL 60610 FAX: (312) 266-4473 ------------------------------ From: mmgall@hubcap.clemson.edu (Morris Galloway Jr.) Subject: Re: Pac*Bell Claims They Can't Help Me With Annoyance Calls Organization: Clemson University Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 22:18:50 GMT We had the same problem here at Presbyterian College, but Southern Bell did try the trace without a lot of flack. We told them that _we_ didn't want to know the number; we just wanted the originator told of the wrong number. Bell called back a day or two later, saying the LEC on the other end (non-Bell) wouldn't tell Bell where the call was coming from. Bell gave me their contact at the remote LEC (local exchange carrier). I called them directly. (That shook them up a little, I think.) It tooks _several_ "let me speak with your manager" hops to find someone who would listen and not recite the party line. End result: The guy agreed to investigate; he found the problem; it was a computer attempting to deliver a fax on a regular basis. It stopped. It was a pain. ------------------------------ From: wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang S. Rupprecht) Subject: Re: MOH, Bad Manners, Poor Throughput, and Sprint Reply-To: wolfgang@wsrcc.com Organization: Wolfgang S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1992 22:57:07 GMT hhallika@nike.calpoly.edu (Harold Hallikainen) writes: > I also hate to pay long distance rates to listen to some radio > station on the other coast while on hold. We have previously > discussed locally generated busy signals (as opposed to ringback, > which is generated at the far end). How about some long distance > carrier offering locally generated music on hold? When someone > puts me on hold (if the distant CO knows they did, which they would > with call waiting), drop the voice circuit (and stop charging me!). > When the person gets back to my call, the voice circuit would be > reestablished (realizing these things take time). I guess the > closest thing we have now is voice mail on busy. My phone has a "tear-down the talk path and stop charging" me feature just like this. It is implemented by a dual set of buttons located at the top of the phone. Pressing either will tear-down the talk path, and suspend billing. When the remote end feels like re-establishing the talk path, my phone briefly rings to let me know they are back. In sharp contrast to all the other features that add $2.50 / month to the bill, this one is free. ;-) Wolfgang Rupprecht wolfgang@wsrcc.com (or) uunet!wsrcc!wolfgang Snail Mail: 39469 Gallaudet Drive, Fremont, CA 94538-4511 Fastest-Path: wolfgang%wsrcc.UUCP@mescal.noc.vitalink.com [Moderator's Note: Can you give us a little more technical detail on this, or at least describe the make/model of phone, etc? PAT] ------------------------------ From: lars@spectrum.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen) Subject: Re: Question on NY Tel's Capabilities Organization: CMC (a Rockwell Company), Santa Barbara, California, USA Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 17:59:24 GMT In article niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes: > I've tried several of the 9901 numbers and received various responses > ranging from "this is the ... 5ESS(tm) serving the exchanges of > ..., ..., ...," to "this is the ... DSO serving the ..., ..., ..., > exchanges" to "this is the ... DMS serving the ..., ..., ..., exchanges". > I even received "not in service" and "cannot be dialed" messages for > valid exchanges. I have tried several of the 9901 numbers around here, and received various responses ranging from "RING, RING, RING ..." to "We're sorry, we cannot come to the phone right now ..." and "Who the hell are you and why are you calling me?". Not a single one of the local exchanges has anything technical at xxx-9901 - just subscriber ports. For the record, this is GTE territory. I think it would be nice, if this information was standardized, but it's not; most LECs try to hide it. On the other hand, GTE has put the ANI verification number in a stable, easily remembered location: 114 ("the reverse of 411"). Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer CMC Rockwell lars@CMC.COM ------------------------------ From: kabra437@athenanet.com (Ken Abrams) Subject: Re: Hookup Charges - Are They Ripping us Off? Organization: Athenanet, Inc., Springfield, Illinois Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 22:14:38 GMT In article jbradsha@mentor.cc.purdue. edu (Jonathan Bradshaw) writes: > numbers into a computer. If I move into an apartment that has had > phone service before, what POSSIBLE extra work that is worth $57 are > they doing? No cables to run, no wires to connect, just activation of > the circuit which is probably completely computerized. Even better, > Am I missing something here? It all seems like another phone company > scam. Right along with the "deposit" fee new phone customers are > charged. There is more to the picture than you might think. While the network itself is largely computerized, we are not NEARLY as advanced as we might be with the administrative record keeping. I think most of the major companies are moving toward "instant service" which should lower the costs some and, when (if) that is ever realized, rates may come down a little. The flip side of this is that the necessary computer hardware and software to accomplish this "instant service" is a VERY large investment and this capital cost may negate some of the cost savings. If you are really, seriously interested in the internal workings of processing orders by your local phone company (and not just satisfying an idle curiosity), many local telco's will arrange a short "show and tell" if you ask nicely and are flexible enough with your scheduling. Then again, some companies don't do this at all; it won't hurt to ask. Bottom line is that a lot more goes into connecting a phone than you might expect. Anyone who wants a brief summary of the various elements is free to drop me mail and I will reply (or I'll post same if Pat asks). Ken Abrams nstar!pallas!kabra437 Springfield, IL kabra437@athenanet.com (voice) 217-753-7965 [Moderator's Note: Surely ... a little more background please. PAT] ------------------------------ From: phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller) Subject: Re: Non-Local Internet Access Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 21:59:34 CST > Where in the U.S. is Internet/Usenet access not a local call? > [Moderator's Note: Lots of places! AMEN to this! I have an escape home about 50 miles outside of St. Louis. I cannot even get a "foreign exchange" from my phone there (314-358-xxxx) to St. Louis. The isolation is not just for Internet access, the same is true for public services such as Compu$erve or Prodigy. I would like to submit that many of these "rural" areas are the very areas that would be best served by network access. J. Philip Miller, Professor, Division of Biostatistics, Box 8067 Washington University Medical School, St. Louis MO 63110 phil@wubios.WUstl.edu - Internet (314) 362-3617 [362-2694(FAX)] [Moderator's Note: Absolutely! When I move out of Chicago hopefully in the next year, I'll be about 60 miles from the nearest dialups, which will be those of Telenet, actually. Somehow I will survive. PAT] ------------------------------ From: rees@dabo.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees) Subject: Re: Help Wanted Wiring Western Union Clock Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 05:07:45 GMT In article , lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield) writes: > I thought the most brilliant suggestion was whoever wrote in and said > he had cannibalized one of the digital watches that had an > "on-the-hour" beep, and connected the beep out circuit to the > accurizing armature on the clock. That was me. I'll be glad to scan the circuit in if anyone's interested. It's just a simple FET switch with an NPN power transistor switch. The only trick is keeping the idle current low, since I run this off of batteries. I use two D alkalines for the winding circuit, and another two in series with them to produce 6 volts for the sync circuit. I wasn't satisfied with the accuracy and have since switched to a scheme that synchronizes from WWV (via radio clock and ntp over dialup SLIP). ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #159 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa24966; 22 Feb 92 2:11 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA06349 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Sat, 22 Feb 1992 00:10:19 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA13847 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Sat, 22 Feb 1992 00:10:05 -0600 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 00:10:05 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202220610.AA13847@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #160 TELECOM Digest Sat, 22 Feb 92 00:10:02 CST Volume 12 : Issue 160 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: MOH From Radio: Is it Lawful? (Steve Thornton) Re: MOH From Radio: Is it Lawful? (John David Galt) Re: Alternatives to MOH (Barton F. Bruce) Re: Fax Protocol Specs (Toby Nixon) Re: Fax Forwarding Services, Anyone? (Jiro Nakamura) Re: Phone Service to Cuba (Tony Harminc) Re: Looking For a KSU a Bit Bigger Than a Panasonic (Barton F. Bruce) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 10:01:26 EST From: Steve Thornton Subject: Re: MOH From Radio: Is it Lawful? > only BECAUSE of the airtime the albums get. Proof? Name one album > that has achieved significant success without any airplay. Just as a matter of fact, there are a LOT of albums that sell well without any airplay. I've seen it referred to as a trend, even. That new record-sales reporting mechanism that was implemented recently proves it. I am speaking of rap and heavy-metal records, neither of which get any airplay at all (in their more-popular, more extreme versions) but sell far more copies than was previously believed, much to the detriment of the bigger name acts. Look at the top 100 chart. There's quite a bit of stuff there that you couldn't broadcast if you wanted to. I know this is getting pretty far from telecom, but I hate to see an argument supported by untrue statements. Steve Thornton / Harvard University Library / +1 617 495 3724 netwrk@harvarda.bitnet / netwrk@harvarda.harvard.edu [Moderator's Note: The topic is getting adrift, so with the next two messages in this issue, regretfully the thread has to be closed. PAT] ------------------------------ From: John_David_Galt@cup.portal.com Subject: Re: MOH From Radio: Is it Lawful? Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 17:49:40 PST John De Armond writes: > ... The opposite assertion could > much easier be made, that the commercial recording business exists > only BECAUSE of the airtime the albums get. Proof? Name one album > that has achieved significant success without any airplay. Frank Zappa's "Overnite Sensation" (and most of his other albums) can't even get on Dr. Demento, because they would be considered obscene by radio standards (or at least, DJs don't dare to assume otherwise). Most of Richard Pryor's and Eddie Murphy's humor, likewise. I'll grant you that airplay makes a big difference; and it would be nice if only the market were setting the "standards," so that choices like the above would be available to more potential customers. The consensus seems to be that you have to pay ASCAP/BMI/SESAC/etc., but this seems a little unreasonable. I mean, the radio station is already sending its signal, quite legally, to 20,000 or 100,000 listeners, and the artists' unions want to quibble about 5 or 10 more? Come ON, guys! ------------------------------ From: "Barton F. Bruce" Subject: Re: Alternatives to MOH Date: 21 Feb 92 04:45:32 EST Organization: Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc. I have a customer that once got whacked $25k for being caught one night for what some local band played in their bar/restaurant! That was years ago. I think there were assumptions made about prior violations. They simply stopped having music. The same folks now are using a local classical station for music on hold, and were nervous about legality. Since that station also SELLS SCA delivered background music, they surely MUST know the rules ... I called and asked, and was told that indeed using their normal programming was a violation but signing up for and using their SCA service could include a service charge to cover MOH. Folks, there is something rotten here. I am not trying to 'CHEAT' musicians, but there has to be a better way! There may well be some quality off shore music sources -- little known but good school orchestras, etc. -- that would LOVE to sell CDROMS for say $25, $50, $100 (anything is better than BMI) and INCLUDE specific permission for MOH use. I called the music department at the Harvard Coop and asked if they had 'legal-for-MOH' recordings, and got nowhere. I know a local guy that owns a recording company that may well have such things or if not might be interested! I will ask as soon as possible. Anyone else know where BMI/ASCAP/extortion proof recordings are available? FWIW, DEC's Colorado customer service has GOOD classical of the sort that will be listened to by classical fans but that won't make others puke -- a thin line. I wonder what their source is? It is so good that I twice felt compelled to compliment them -- something I would rarely do to DEC :-) [Moderator's Note: A lot of classical stuff is in the public domain because of its age, is it not? You don't have to pay fees for public domain music. But, we are way off telecom. Let's call it quits. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Toby Nixon Subject: Re: Fax Protocol Specs Date: 20 Feb 92 12:53:49 GMT Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA In article , grieggs@devvax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (John T. Grieggs) writes: > I am interested in writing a program to talk directly to a FAX modem, > but have been led to believe that this might be difficult. The existence of fax modem command set standards doesn't necessarily make it any easier, I'm sorry to say! But at least it will, before too long, result in interchangability of fax modems and software, so we're not stuck using only the software that was shipped with the modem. [Moderator's Note: Did you mean 'lack of standards'? PAT] > Is there a standard protocol for computer <-> FAX modem? Something > akin to the Hayes command set, possibly? Yes. The only adopted, published standard is ANSI/EIA/TIA-578, "Asynchronous Facsimile DCE Control Standard -- Class 1". A Class 1 fax modem (as they're called, generically) provides the minimal level of hardware support necessary to communicate with remote Group 3 fax machines. The modem has the fax modulators/demodulators (V.21, V.27ter, and optionally V.29, V.33, and V.17), the ability to convert async characters into synchronous bit streams (and vice-versa), some low-level HDLC framing capability, flow control, and that's about it. All of the CCITT T.30 fax protocols and T.4 image formatting must be done in the computer software. The committee (TIA TR-29.2) is about to finish work on the Class 2 standard, which will be ANSI/TIA/EIA-592 when it is completed ("Asynchronous Facsimile DCE Control Standard -- Class 2"). Class 2 moves the handling of the T.30 fax protocols out into the modem, releaving the software of most of the critical timing and procedural details. The software still must do the T.4 image handling, although Class 2 modems may (but are not required to) support some T.4 image conversion capabilities ("normal" to "fine" resolution, etc.). Class 2 should be completed and published soon; it is about to be sent out for what we hope to be the final industry ballot (by the way, I am Hayes' representative on TR-29.2). You'll find a lot of modems on the market today claiming to be "Class 2" modems but NOT "TIA-592" modems; these ersatz "Class 2" modems are designed according to the August, 1990 draft of the standard. There's no way for anyone to get a legal copy of that draft anymore, so writing your own software for one of these non-standard "Class 2" modems is a bit problematical. > If so, where might I find it? You can get a copy of TIA-578 (Class 1) through Global Engineering Documents (800-854-7179 or 714-261-1455). You'll be able to get a copy of the latest Class 2 draft ballot edition through TIA Publications at 202-457-4963, probably in a couple of weeks; once the TIA-592 Class 2 standard is formally adopted and published, it will also be available through Global Engineering Documents. > If not, I'd be interested in knowing how such a wide-spread thing has > resisted standardization! We've been working on Class 2 for about 3 1/2 years now. It is a very complex thing! The open, public review process which must be followed by ANSI-accredited standards committees helps to insure that no company or group of companies can monopolize a market, but it also causes the standards development process to stretch out a bit (to say the least). Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-840-9200 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | BBS +1-404-446-6336 AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon Fido 1:114/15 USA | Internet tnixon@hayes.com ------------------------------ From: jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura) Subject: Re: Fax Forwarding Services, Anyone? Organization: Shaman Consulting Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 20:48:12 GMT In article Jay.Ashworth@psycho.fidonet. org (Jay Ashworth) writes: > Jiro, I must inquire ... is this newsletter free? Every newsletter > I've ever seen cost so much that the difference between .80 and 1.78 > would be trivial ... Oh, BTW, what's your production flow look like? I didn't post the price since it might have gotten censored. So I will approximate in the hopes the Moderator will let it through. The per unit cost is between $2.99 and $3.01. The subscription cost for six issues via US Mail is between $9.99 and $10.01. Thus you can see that the difference between 0.80 and $1.78 is highly salient. :-) We are currently setting the fax subscription at a tentative approximate $15 above the US mail cost. If we charged $400 a year, then hell -- we could even FedEx it to people. :-) But we aren't in this for the money. As an aside.... Thank you VERY much to the thirty or so people who replied. I am trying to follow up on the promising leads. People have told me that AT&T offers it through AT&T Mail, Sprint through SprintFax ,and MCI through MCI mail. A lot of people have also mentioned not using fine mode. Currently the newsletter uses 4 and 6 point in some places. 10 point is the main size. We are trying to see how low normal mode can go, but I think 8pt is the minimum, using a fax modem. Unfortunately the fax modem does not obviate the fact that faxing the newsletter to 30 some people would still take five to ten hours ...., which is the primary reason for using a forwarding service. E-mailing it as PostScript would not be suitable since 1) not all people are connected to the net, especially not the beginning/ intermediate business/personal users we are targetting and 2) we use strange fonts (ITC Stone Sans and Stone Serif). Again, many thanks to ALL the people who replied. Special thanks to Nigel Allen who sent us a list of places to register our newsletter ("Free Publicity" as he called it). His return e-mail address was broken, but I'd like to thank him publically. I can reforward his list to other people who are interested in publishing newsletters. Jiro Nakamura jiro@shaman.com The Shaman Group +1 607 277-1440 Voice/Fax/Data ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 13:28:02 EST From: Tony Harminc Subject: Re: Phone Service to Cuba >>Sure -- but my point is that obviously a Canadian company can't be >>busted in Canada under a US law. > That turns out not to be the case :-( There have been several companies > and individuals in Canada busted for violating US laws having to > do with embargoes. There was a very famous case of a Nepean businessman > who got a multi-year jail term for shipping a Vax (and not even > a very big one) to the USSR a few years back. [Nepean is one of Ottawa's > satellite cities, and has a fair bit of high-tech industry.] I think you are confusing two different laws, and (separately) two different cases. Canada indeed has export control legislation. This is what made it illegal to export a VAX to the USSR. For political reasons, the Canadian list of proscribed goods is closely coordinated with the US list. The group known as COCOM is run by the US, and controls exports from essentially all the western countries. As you point out, countries that don't go along with this little piece of imperialism risk being shut out of US high-tech goods. But this has nothing to do with trade with Cuba in such items as cigars, sugar, tourism, or phone calls. None of these items is remotely related to munitions (which is what COCOM calls the things it controls). It is perfectly legal in Canada to trade with Cuba in these items, and it is also perfectly legal to sell such items to Americans. This goes on every day -- Cuba is promoted as a tourist destination, Cuban cigars are sold in tobacconists, and people (like me) dial Havana phone numbers. ------------------------------ From: bruce@camb.com (Barton F. Bruce) Subject: Re: Looking For a KSU a Bit Bigger Than a Panasonic Date: 21 Feb 92 02:58:50 EST Organization: Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc. In article , dmr@roadkill.Stanford.EDU (Daniel M. Rosenberg) writes: > I have asked (at least once) in this forum about recommendations for a > small KSU/PBX to be used in a radio station. > We would really, really like something like the Panasonic 1232, but > it's just a bit too small for our needs; 32 distinct extensions > doesn't leave us enough room for expansion. We really like the way it > hybridizes proprietary and POTS service on the same line, the overall > feature-richness, and the cost. And NOW you can have BOTH proprietary *AND* POTS on the same extension at the same time! Stick a cordless base unit on a Y jack with a proprietary phone, or stick an answering machine on. The 8, 16, 32 station KSUs all do it NOW, and all that changed was the microcode in EPROM. Will Panasonic sell new proms? "Sell the customer a new KSU" was the answer. Will you go to hell for using a prom blaster in this case? -- your problem ... > Can't we get these any bigger? SURE CAN! The big investment is NOt the KSU, but the phones if they are most all proprietary. And there IS a NEW LARGE system. Try 292 stations! It works this way. The basic box is 92. You may not get there depending on what else you plug in. That was going to be the end of the system. AT&T had 'arranged' for the anti-Japanese (aka anti-dumping) import duties that made Panasonic open a factory in the British Isles to then let phones get imported here. Apparently another boundary in the rules was for systems under 200 lines. Getting OVER that size (in capability, not necessarily as installed) eliminated the punative import duties. So Panasonic engineered 100 port expansion boxes. You can add up to 2 of them to the basic 92 port box. The basic box starts in the very low $2k range. Station cards come in three flavors -- in increasing cost order: proprietary only, pots only, both. The most expensive one is maybe $400. There are NO ground start tks yet, no DID, no T1. T1 may come before the others! Now the bummer. ONLY INVITED dealers get to sell these. Is Panasonic going Mitel on us? I am sure there will be reasonable ways around this with out the totally ILLEGAL pirate security PALs needed for Mitel switches -- (not just to save the $s but simply because Mitel arrogantly lets you buy the switch but WON'T sell you the generic to make it work). The small interconnect has to 'crawl in bed' with some Mitel MQD dealer down the road that probably is his competition! What does one do for the Panasonic BIG-BOX? try ALL the distributors. Some are not too financially solid these days and any sale is *NEEDED*. The older KSU specific phones (though that worked with the other two sizes) are now obsolete but will be sold until stock is gone. The newer 7000 series works for the WHOLE family, but you may need newer proms (see above) for an older KSU to get all possible functionality. So if you are happy for now with your 32 station unit, and can't yet get the biggest KSU, you are NOT locked in to a dead end. The phones at least will migrate to a bigger system. FWIW Panasonic made a discovery (that other big switch manufacturers already KNEW) that many installations of big systems use VERY FEW proprietary phones. So sales projections and stocking levels of PANASONIC stylish but *POTS* phones targeting the Greybar class distribution channels were cranked up. Normally these are sold primarily through the Letchmore Zales class store. And, speaking of them, technically I think they have 'access' to the entire line, so even if not stocked, you might be able to get a custom order placed. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #160 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa22036; 22 Feb 92 15:10 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA07779 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Sat, 22 Feb 1992 12:48:29 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA10193 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Sat, 22 Feb 1992 12:48:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 12:48:21 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202221848.AA10193@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #161 TELECOM Digest Sat, 22 Feb 92 12:48:16 CST Volume 12 : Issue 161 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Things Looked Rosy for Western Union in 1960, part III (Jim Haynes) DOS Software For ClassMate CLID Box? (John Temples) NYTel Cuts Off Police Department (David Niebuhr) T1 Bridge With Dial Backup? (Rick Battle) PHONES Conference on RelayNet (Joshua Lee) Digit Absorption (Carl Moore) Caller*ID Experimenting (kiser@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil) The Difference a Smiley Makes! :) (TELECOM Moderator) Continued Discussion on MOH Invited by Reader (TELECOM Moderator) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: haynes@cats.UCSC.EDU (Jim Haynes) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 23:44:55 -0800 Subject: Things Looked Rosy for Western Union in 1960, part III [Moderator's Note: This is part three of three parts of an article about Western Union which appeared in {Business Week} magazine more than thirty years ago, in 1960. Parts one and two appeared in the Digest on Friday morning and Friday evening. To continue this series about Western Union, an issue Saturday overnight/Sunday morning will include an article from {Fortune Magazine}, March, 1959, also supplied by Jim Haynes. PAT] "-III. Building For the Future- "Western Union has great hopes that Telex will increase its revenue load many fold. Even so, it's hard to imagine that such business will fill all the extra traffic capacity that Western Union's new microwave system provides. And so, once again, President Marshall is counting on electronics technology to help him out. Three out of every four systems that Western Union is now installing for customers include provision for handling data processing information. Communication between computers, or tape-to-tape digital messages between dispersed plants, offices, and data processing centers may eventually equal the volume of voice and message communication. AT&T President Frederick R. Kappel, too, thinks that's possible. "-Expandable System- So Marshall believes his modern plant is coming on stream just in time to catch the new flood of data processing business. The transcontinental microwave network's two 6-million cycle channels each are capable of handling transcontinental telecasts, or thousands of telegraphic, voice, and data processing channels. The system is designed to carry up to seven broad-band channels, and these will be added as needed. "The Transcontinental network, with extension legs, will cost $56-million, but once the microwave relay towers are in place, the system's capacity can be doubled for about 15% to 20% of this cost. Eventually, Western Union will have a great loop of microwave routes that will interconnect North and South as well as East and West. The full system may cost $250- million between now and 1970. "-Government Contracts- Part of the load the new microwave system will carry is already under contract. The U.S. Air Force hired Western Union to build an automatic system of data and message handling that will interconnect all domestic Air Force bases. The combat and logistics network (COMLOGNET) [1] also costs, coincidentally, $56- million and will be operated by Air Force personnel. Western Union also built for the Air Force an international automatic switching telegraph network, [2] which was completed last May, and has put in a high-speed weather map facsimile system for the Strategic Air Command. In addition, it built a nationwide weather map facsimile system for the Weather Bureau that serves several hundred points. "To work out new communications applications to keep its microwave system busy, Western Union has enlarged its engineering and research departments. The company is now spending about $6-million a year on research and development -- more than ever before in its history. Of course, Bell Laboratories spends a lot more. But Marshall has some pretty definite ideas on how to get the most mileage out of research expenditures. "'One problem,' he admits, 'is getting the right kind of people that can really come through with innovations, and I'm not at all sure it is possible to hire this kind of person off the street, even if you have the most wonderful facilities in the world. Some people just don't like to work for big organizations.' "-Research Interests- To tap that kind of talent, Western Union has purchased large interests in a number of small companies that offer intriguing technological or manufacturing competence: "Microwave Associates, Inc., a leading developer of microwave elements such as waveguides, tubes, and semiconductor elements. "Technical Operations, Inc., a Boston company engaged in contract research for the government and industry in computing, physics, mechanical engineering and electronics. "Dynametrics Corp., another Boston company, which produces electronic measuring equipment that possibly could be related to future production control systems. Such systems might fit into an integrated data processing system built around a Western Union network. "Hermes Electronics Co., a producer of crystal filters for microwave uses and designer of part of the telemetering system for the Titan missile. Hermes also has done a lot of work on computer translators that change binary code to decimal readouts. "Gray Mfg. Co., Hartford, manufacturer of switchboards, dictating machines, and electronic gear. "Teleprinter Corp., which has developed the smallest page teleprinter on the market. [3] "These six companies dovetail so well as a combined research, engineering, and manufacturing operation that there are incessant rumors that Western Union intends to meld them into one big outfit. Marshall denies such an intent, disputes the logic of such a move on the ground that the talent attracted by these companies comes from their small size and independence. Actually, Western Union benefits substantially from the present management. As part owner, it can use the services of the individual companies and also coordinate their activities to some degree. "In addition to these six companies, Western Union also has invested in Teleprompter Corp. But this company falls into a different category. Teleprompter is not a manufacturer of communications equipment. It custom-designs office communication centers, assembling equipment made by others and mounting it on its own furniture. But Teleprompter's work in closed-circuit and pay TV and in other fields jibes with Western Union's interests. "-Dynamic Outlook- These new interests and Western Union's own research efforts all point to a greatly expanded future for the company. Although it still has some problems to solve, the company is in vastly better shape than it was ten years ago. Instead of sitting back and being outdated by new technology, Western Union very definitely is counting on the latest electronic wizardry to win a bigger piece of the communications market for itself." [1] COMLOGNET started out as a bunch of IBM card transceiver machines, which used internal modems to transmit punched cards over private telephone lines connecting the Air Materiel Command bases. When the Air Force set out to replace these with a Real communication system, both the name and the scope of the project changed several times as is typical of government projects. Names that followed COMLOGNET were first AFDATACOM and ultimately AUTODIN (automatic digital network), which became the main record communication system for the whole DOD. The original terminals consisted of a Model 28 ASR teletypewriter, an IBM card reader/punch, and a refrigerator-sized electronics package made by IBM. Transmission was synchronous using a modified Fieldata code. All transmissions were encrypted. This was somewhat to the dismay of the materiel people, who had started out with the card transceivers in their Base Supply offices; the AUTODIN terminals had to be locked up in secure Base Communications buildings because of the encryption equipment. So the supply people had to carry their cards between buildings on the base. There were also a few magnetic tape AUTODIN terminals. This was in the days before IBMs tape format became a de facto standard of the industry; so the terminals had to be designed to read and write the kind of tapes appropriate to the kind of computer they were to be used with. AUTODIN provided both message switching (i.e. store-and-forward) and circuit switching a la Telex. The switching centers for AUTODIN used computers made by RCA, originally discrete-transistor machines contemporary with the RCA 301-501-601 line, later replaced by machines of RCAs Spectra 70 line. Having to replace all those original computers after only five years or so must have been terribly galling to old Western Union hands, as some of the company's own offices were still using teleprinters made by Morkrum-Kleinschmidt prior to 1930. [2] This system was Western Union's Plan 55, based on paper tape store and forward technology. The switching centers used a combination of electromechanical and vacuum-tube electronic technology. Cross- office transmission was at 200 wpm, requiring electronic transmitting and receiving distributors and parallel-input reperforators. Plan 55 was superseded by AUTODIN when the latter acquired Teletype as well as punched card capabilities. [3] Perhaps Western Union hoped to use Teleprinter Corp. to free itself from dependence on AT&Ts Teletype subsidiary. W.U. had made some previous efforts to build its own teletypewriters. As things turned out the Teleprinter product, MITE (Miniature Integrated Teleprinter Equipment), was popular with the military for its small size and weight but never achieved much of a commercial market. ------------------------------ From: jwt!john@uunet.uu.net (John Temples) Subject: DOS Software For ClassMate CLID Box? Organization: Private System -- Orlando, FL Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 20:05:51 GMT A friend of mine just purchased the ClassMate RS-232 caller-ID interface box from Bell Atlantic, and he's looking for DOS software to use with it. Does anyone else who has that box know of any? Have you purchased the software on the included demo disk? John W. Temples -- john@jwt.UUCP (uunet!jwt!john) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 07:54:24 -0500 From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) Subject: NYTel Cuts Off Police Department Yesterday, Feb. 21, 1992, the New York Telephone Company pulled a boo-boo. It seems that callers to the Shelter Island (part of Suffolk County) Town Police were getting a recording that the service had been disconnected. The Town had paid the telephone bill but the telco slipped and cut off the service. Luckily, nothing disastrous happened during the outage. The population of Shelter Island is less than 2,000 people in the winter and well over 20,000 in the summer and it's a good thing that this happened now rather than four or five months from now. Dave Niebuhr Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973 (516)-282-3093 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 10:21:12 -0500 From: battle@umbc3.umbc.edu (Rick) Subject: T1 Bridge With Dial Backup? Does anyone know of a T1 Ethernet bridge that also has a "smart" RS-232 port that can dial the other end (RS-232 port) in case the T1 line goes down??? I know that there are 56kb Ethernet bridges that have dial backup capability but I need a T1 with dial backup. Thanks, Rick Battle battle@umbc4.umbc.edu ------------------------------ From: ukelele!jlee@uunet.uu.net (Joshua Lee) Subject: PHONES Conference on RelayNet Organization: GAU Technologies, Fairfax County, VA Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 08:32:05 GMT nigel.allen@dosgate.uucp (Nigel Allen) writes: > People with access to RelayNet BBSes may be interested in the PHONES The RelayNet PHONES conference is also gated to FidoNet, I'm recieving it on my Fidonet BBS, 1:109/542 ... It's alot of phone company people who talk highly technically about phone switches, though every now and then it's understandable to mere civilians like me. :-) > Of course, FidoNet has its MDF and FCC echoes, which I regularly > participate in. Hmm, I'm picking up the FCC echo, which talks about both the FCC, and general phone company policies. Never heard of MDF. There's also the AT&T echo and several other phone company oriented conferences. Please e-mail me if MDF is on the Fidonet Z1 backbone, or if it is in R13. Although I'm not sure what it is. Of course, anything with an acronym that mysterious has to be good. ArfaNet: Joshua.Lee@f542.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Joshua Lee on 1:109/542) uucp: ...!{uunet,rutgers,ames}!mimsy!prometheus!ukelele!jlee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 92 12:55:04 EST From: Carl Moore Subject: Digit Absorption Dave Leibold writes: > For instance, an exchange with 523-xxxx numbers could be set up on a > step-by-step so that only the last four digits need be used to > complete a call to another 523-xxxx number. > [ for a 7-digit local call ] you could > not put a 234-xxxx exchange in service without overhauling the service > on 523-xxxx since 234 would be interpreted as 523-4 In this sample, you're saying that the 23 in "234" would be interpreted as the last part of "523"? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 04:50:24 EST From: kiser@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil Subject: Caller*ID Experimenting Pat: All speculation aside ... I have built a Caller*ID-to-RS232 interface for my PC. It took all of about two minutes to design and two more to build: Get a 2211 FSK demodulator chip (anywhere) and copy the 2200/1200 Hz parts suggestions right out of the specifications. Tuning is not critical. Feed the TTL-level serial data to a MAX232 level converter, and the output of the MAX232 to your PC. Voila! I know it works (on the first try!) so give it a shot. PS: I hope you weren't serious about Wolfgang's phone that can drop the voice path and terminate charges. He was talking about hanging up! I have, and use, the same feature. I refuse to pay for MOH, so I just hang up. If they knew who I was, they'll call back. If not, someone else willing to actually speak with me can get my business. [Moderator's Note: If others try this mod, let us hear your experiences with it. Regards Wolfgang's telephone, read on. PAT] ------------------------------ From: TELECOM Moderator (telecom@eecs.nwu.edu) Subject: The Difference a Smiley Makes! :) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 10:10:25 CST These two messages were typical of several received overnight: From: mjg@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael J Graven) >> [Moderator's Note: Can you give us a little more technical detail on >> this, or at least describe the make/model of phone, etc? PAT] > Pat, he's talking about the switchhook. Nudge, nudge. From: knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase) > Ah! A case of missing the forest for the trees... > This is a feature all (I hope) comp.dcom.readers already have. Reread the > description above and think "switchhook." :-) Obviously, the smiley got missed somehow on my end. Sorry about that! Here are a few to make up for it. :) :) :) :) PAT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 12:38:25 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Subject: Continued Discussion About MOH Invited by Reader A reader has requested that further discussion on the topic of MOH and all its ramifications (disgruntled callers, disgruntled musician protection groups, etc) be directed to him. He is considering starting a new newsgroup on commercial broadcasting, and would also be interested in your feedback for that topic. Write him direct: Bill Pfieffer wdp@gagme.chi.il.us PAT ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #161 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa24042; 22 Feb 92 16:11 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA25954 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Sat, 22 Feb 1992 14:04:22 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA17223 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Sat, 22 Feb 1992 14:04:07 -0600 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 14:04:07 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202222004.AA17223@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #162 TELECOM Digest Sat, 22 Feb 92 14:03:45 CST Volume 12 : Issue 162 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Emergency Calls at Pay Phones (Andrew C. Green) Inmarsat Directory Assistance (Dave Leibold) GTE Expands Email Coverage (Steven Lichter) Re: Bellcore's New NANP (Carl Moore) Re: Bellcore's New NANP (Paul Cook) Re: Nynex Starts Electronic Yellow Pages (Bob Frankston) Re: Telephone Economics (Tim Gorman) Re: Call-Forwarding Features Return CT-NY (Bill Berbenich) 800 vs. 10xxx Codes (Gordon Burditt) Re: WECo Modular Connector Naming (Maxime Taksar) Re: 313 Split on the Way (David G. Lewis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1992 12:28:33 CST From: acg@HERMES.DLOGICS.COM Reply-To: acg@hermes.dlogics.com Subject: Emergency Calls at Pay Phones cmoore@BRL.MIL (VLD/VMB) writes: > What about emergency calls from these phones which charge for the > calls to 800-? Remember that emergency calls now usually do not > require money deposit from a dial-tone-first pay phone. Charging for emergency calls from a payphone would be absolutely unthinkable. Imagine the hue and cry that would erupt the first time somebody died because the caller didn't have a quarter. This is not to say that COCOTs can't make things difficult. I had one experience with trying to make an emergency call from a COCOT at a corner gas station (the phone was outside and the station was closed, so it was COCOT or nothing). Fortunately the "emergency" to report was suspicious goings-on in a parking lot, not pillars of flame, a tragic bus plunge or the like. Following is from my memory of about a year ago ... ATTEMPT 1: Pick up phone, punch 9-1-1. Long pause, numerous clicks, several rings, finally "This community is not wired for 9-1-1. Please hang up and ..." ATTEMPT 2: Punch 0. Another long pause, numerous clicks, painfully long number of rings, finally an operator answers. "I need Arlington Heights Police; this is an emergency." "What number are you calling from?" "I don't know, I'm at a payphone in the dark and I can't see the number. This is an emergency!" "Are you at an intersection? What street are you on?" "What the $#%&@ difference does it make? I need Arlington Heights Police, NOW!" "Please Hold ..." To this day, I have no idea why they were asking all those questions. Perhaps they figured that if they lost the call, they'd have some clues to pass on to the emergency services. Incidentally, Arlington Heights is now wired for 9-1-1. I wonder if it would have helped at that time. It did seem as if the COCOT tried to shove the 9-1-1 attempt through right away, but when I had to resort to the Operator, things went downhill fast. Andrew C. Green Datalogics, Inc. Internet: acg@dlogics.com 441 W. Huron UUCP: ..!uunet!dlogics!acg Chicago, IL 60610 FAX: (312) 266-4473 [Moderator's Note: The reason for 'all those questions' was two-fold as I understand it. One, the operator is trained to obtain as much information as possible in the event you are unable or unwilling to stay at the telephone long enough to speak with the emergency agency. Our telephone books for many years stated that 'in the event of a fire or dangerous situation where you cannot remain at the phone, tell the operator as much as you can before you must leave; she will relay this to the firemen or police officers.' Two, the situation with 911 in northern Illinois is still sort of messy. Many small towns share the same telephone exchange, but for political reasons they cannot decide among themselves who will answer 911 calls for the other(s). So they keep on using a seven-digit number despite the state law (911 Enabling Act) which required everyone to have 911 by last year. Due to the very confusing nature of community boundary lines here (Chicago's northwest side is a good example), the operator is trained to assume that in your anxiety due to the emergency you may possibly be requesting assistance from the wrong agency. If she is uncertain, she will relay the information to more than one place. I'm sure she was only trying to be helpful in your case. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1992 02:13:50 -0500 From: Dave.Leibold@f524.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Leibold) Subject: Inmarsat Directory Assistance It is possible to obtain phone numbers of ships and other stations involved with the Inmarsat (maritime satellite) communications service. Namely, these are the overseas numbers with country codes 871 through 874, used by ships at sea, ports, and any other interested satellite stations. I requested a directory assistance for Inmarsat from a Bell Canada operator. The operator wanted to know which Inmarsat region was involved (Atlantic East, Atlantic West, Indian, Pacific). I chose Pacific and tried to get a number for the Exxon Valdez. The directory assistance operator came on, took the request, but didn't find Exxon Valdez as such, but I got a seven digit number for the Exxon California. (Other Exxon ____ ships were available as well). In the U.S., a long distance operator (such AT&T operator or International Assistance) should be able to connect with the Inmarsat assistance. Dave Leibold - via FidoNet node 1:250/98 INTERNET: Dave.Leibold@f524.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------ From: /PN=GLORIA.C.VALLE/O=GTE/PRMD=GTEMAIL/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com Date: 22 Feb 92 04:00 UT Subject: GTE Expands Email Coverage Well it looks like we at GTE now have full access to most Electronic Mail Systems including EasyLink and ATTMail through a new script. To see how it worked I send myself E-mail to EasyLink and in about five minutes it was there. I'm sending this using the script so it really saves me a lot of typing strange things to get it to work. Now if they would only allow us to access the full archives which if I want to look at I have to wonder done to my local university library and use one of their terms. The wonders of Electronic Mail! Steven Lichter COEI GTE Calif [Moderator's Note: I'm glad you have expanded coverage now. Gradually all email services are coming around to realizing that universal email is where things are at. Hopefully the few remaining commercial services which still restrict internet mail will realize the error in their thinking soon. Prodigy comes to mind as the best example. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 10:00:27 EST From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) Subject: Re: Bellcore's New NANP Notice "only two of the original 144 codes are available (Bellcore's figures)". There are 160 three-digit numbers of N0X/N1X form, and if you throw out the N00 and N11, that 160 drops to 144. Of those 144, only 610,710,810,910 have not been announced for anything; and there were some questions (including a Moderator's Note) about what 610 and 710 were used for (are they NOT available as geographic area codes?); if 610 and 710 are not available, that leaves two unassigned area codes, but then how do you arrive at 144 (instead of 142) original codes? For area codes announced but not in use yet, you can look up the archive file history.of.area.splits , or you can write directly to me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 22:22 GMT From: Proctor & Associates <0003991080@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Bellcore's New NANP John R. Levine writes: > According to {Newsbytes} Bellcore has distributed a "Proposal on the > Future of Numbering in World Zone 1" which details the plan for > interchangable area codes starting in January, 1995 and looking ahead > 30 years. Since only two of the original 144 codes are available > (Bellcore's figures) there is some urgency. > Apparently the proposal has a fair amount to say about how they plan > to assign the 640 new area codes. Has anyone actually seen it? Is it > possible to get a copy easily? I received a copy a month ago and had planned on summarizing it for TELECOM Digest, but there is a LOT there, and I never got around to it. This is one of the more interesting documents that I have received from the folks who administer area codes. Actually, it is a plan that is supposed to keep us supplied with numbers for the next FIFTY YEARS (!). The document provides a nice overview of the history of numbering plans, options for the future, and a lot of future contingencies that I had never thought of. I am not sure how to get on the distribution list for this document, but a couple of names on the cover letter and follow-up letter for questions were Fred Gaechter (201-740-4596) and James Deak (201-740-4594), both of North American Numbering Plan Administration at Bellcore. I suppose that one could call them to get a copy. Paul Cook 206-881-7000 Proctor & Associates MCI Mail 399-1080 15050 NE 36th St. fax: 206-885-3282 Redmond, WA 98052-5317 3991080@mcimail.com ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Nynex Starts Electronic Yellow Pages Date: Fri 21 Feb 1992 09:17 -0500 The {Boston Globe} published 1-800-35-NYNEX as the number to call for more information. I'll tell you when the package, with software, arrives. Seeing the mention of the Apple II in Adam's article does bound the level of service. It will be interesting to see if the provide an "over the wire" protocol or just a canned program. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 92 13:52:50 EST From: Tim Gorman <71336.1270@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Telephone Economics gast@CS.UCLA.EDU (David Gast) writes in TELECOM Digest V12 #154: > You sound like an accountant. From a financial standpoint, only cash > matters. (See Copland and Weston (sp), for example). Non-cash > charges against earnings do not pay for anything. The equipment was > paid for when it was installed using some combination of debt and > equity. (Sure ... maybe the checks were not written the precise > moment of installation, but the idea is correct). >> Note that what was already there was not fully depreciated in the >> late 1980's so this is hardly stuff that was paid off with >> pre-competition dollars. > Was not paid off except by people with green eye shades. :-) If the > equipment was installed pre-divestiture, then it was paid for > pre-divestiture. On the other hand, (and you will like this part), > the new equipment installed in the 1980s was paid for when it was > installed. (It is not paid for over the life of the equipment. The > situation is more complicated when the PUC sets rates, but by and > large AT&T is now a competitive corporation, not a monopoly subject to > FCC and PUC rulings on rates. Note: I said by and large, there is > still some regulation). I hate to recopy all of the above but I feel it is necessary for background. First, I am not a CPA, my economics training has been from an engineering viewpoint. However, I disagree with the statement that only cash matters. This may be true in a business with little long term capital investment compared to net income. It is not true for a long term capital intensive business. From the telephone companies viewpoint, the equipment is NOT paid for until the debt has been retired. From the switch vendors viewpoint it may be, but certainly not from the debt holders viewpoint. And the debt holders viewpoint is the one that matters. This also applies to equipment funded out of stock sales. If the equipment is thrown away before its useful life is reached (i.e. as measured by depreciation schedules) then, in essence, you have not acheived full value for the stockholders investment. As an analogy, suppose you were running a car rental agency. Suppose the cars were depreciated over a ten year period but you throw them away when they are one year old. The cars are paid for when you get them, either by getting a loan from the bank, by getting additional venture capital, or out of profits. How long do you suppose it would be before your company was run into the ground? Your annual rates would be upkeep + wages/salary + 1/10 replacement value + debt payment + profit. I think you find your debt growing each year so you can buy new cars, probably until the debt is more than your assets. (Don't cheat by saying the profit factor will be raised to take care of it, that is nothing more than decreasing the depreciation schedule). Your rates will also have to keep going up to make the increasing debt payments. Bottom line, that equipment investment is not paid for when it is installed. >> Examples: Bell Labs results had to be made public. > Oh, I hadn't heard that the Unix source code (pre-divestiture version, > of course) was public. Isn't UNIX copyrighted not patented? I don't believe this has anything to do with copyrighted material. BL doesn't publish switch generic software either. Tim Gorman - SWBT *opinions are mine, any resemblance to official policy is coincidence* ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Call-Forwarding Features Return CT-NY Date: Fri, 21 Feb 92 16:05:27 GMT From: bill@eedsp.gatech.edu (Bill Berbenich) Reply-To: bill@eedsp.gatech.edu I would be interested in knowing how the Motorola switch is connected to the Ericssons and what protocol is used. A friend in-the-know on cellular matters speculated that perhaps SS-7 is being used. I know that there is a cellular system in South Florida which is connected to the LEC with SS-7. I wonder if that is the case up north, as well? Anyone know the deal in NY-CT? Bill Berbenich, School of EE, DSP Lab Georgia Tech, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{backbones}!gatech!eedsp!bill Internet: bill@eedsp.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt) Subject: 800 vs. 10xxx Codes Organization: Gordon Burditt Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 11:05:21 GMT > The telco switch ignores the 10xxx codes if inserted in front of > 800. PAT] Not on my line. If I dial: 10288-1-800-257- 10222-1-800-257- or 10333-1-800-257- I get an intercept recording "We're sorry, it is not necessary to dial a long distance access code for this number". (It really means "it is necessary to NOT dial a long distance access code"). I don't have a chance to enter the last four digits. If it matters, I don't have a default long distance carrier. Calls were made from 817-249 (Fort Worth). Maybe it works if I guess the right carrier, but I tried the Big 3 above, and it wasn't any of them. Gordon L. Burditt sneaky.lonestar.org!gordon [Moderator's Note: Let me rephrase my original statement. The LEC will not route 1-800 calls according to your instructions. It will either ignore the 10xxx dialing and proceed with the call, or as you found out, it will object to 10xxx and dump the call completely. On 800 calls, the recipient detirmines what carrier is to be used to place the call. You can't override it. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 92 03:05:18 -0800 From: mmt@latour.berkeley.edu (Maxime Taksar) Subject: Re: WECo Modular Connector Naming In article , Jay.Ashworth@psycho. fidonet.org (Jay Ashworth) writes: > Well, a Graybar Telecom catalog I have here, admittedly not an > authoritative source, lists that as an RJ-14. Four position, four > conductor. Since the Graybar catalog isn't an authoritative source, though it seems to be quite complete in terms of practicality, what *is* the authoritative source? And has someone put these in electronically- readable form? Perhaps in the archives? I've browsed the Telecom Archive index and related articles, but can only find discussions as to the merits of RJ-45 vs RJ-11/12 and the like. Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS mmt@Berkeley.EDU ------------------------------ From: deej@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (david.g.lewis) Subject: Re: 313 Split on the Way Organization: AT&T Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 16:50:53 GMT In article Jim.Rees@umich.edu writes: > Michigan Bell has announced plans to split the 313 area code in early > 1994. The newspaper story claims that there are only two area codes > left, and we'll get one of them. I thought we were already out, which > would mean that we would get one of the new style (exchange-like) area > codes. Is there in fact any traditional (or N10) area code left? 810 and 910 are currently unassigned. David G Lewis AT&T Bell Laboratories david.g.lewis@att.com or !att!houxa!deej ISDN Evolution Planning [Moderator's Note: And 610 is unavailable for voice network use. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #162 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa25011; 22 Feb 92 16:46 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA23885 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Sat, 22 Feb 1992 14:55:02 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA15328 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Sat, 22 Feb 1992 14:54:54 -0600 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 14:54:54 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202222054.AA15328@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #163 TELECOM Digest Sat, 22 Feb 92 14:54:48 CST Volume 12 : Issue 163 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Differences in State Telecom Regulations (Jack Decker) Pac*Bell Line Oddity; Now a Compound Problem? (Eric W. Douglas) Really, it's an IMPORTANT Call (Robert L. McMillin) Telco Togetherness (Andy Sherman) Re: Party Not Answering Phone (David G. Lewis) Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas (Dave Levenson) Re: More on Telcos and BBSs (Reginald Hirsch) 800 Number Published In Cartoon (Thomas Lapp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 13:18:14 CST From: Jack Decker Subject: Differences in State Telecom Regulations I've decided that I'd like to try and keep track of some of the things that tend to vary from state to state, so I created the chart below. You will note that there are MANY gaps, and I will invite TELECOM Digest readers to help me fill them in with information on your state. The three items I am keeping track of so far are: 1) Free Touch-Tone. This will be set to "Y" if telephone companies in the state do not charge an additional monthly charge for Touch-Tone service. Yes, I know it's not REALLY free, but at at least folks in these states aren't paying extra for a service that saves the phone company money when they use it! 2) Caller ID. This will be set to "Y" if Caller ID is available ANYWHERE in that state, or "N" if it is known to NOT be available anywhere in the state yet. 3) Mandatory measured service ban. This will be set to "Y" if a voter referendum or legislative action has banned the imposition of MANDATORY measured service. In this case, "Mandatory measured service" means that no option is available that would permit a business or residential telephone customer to make an unlimited number of local calls, without being charged on a per-call or timed basis, even if a "free" call allowance of a certain number of calls or a certain number of minutes of calling exists. In states marked with "Y", telephone customers are guaranteed by law the right to subscribe to a calling plan that offers unlimited local calling. In states where no unlimited flat-rate calling option is available, or no legal ban against mandatory measured service exists, this should be marked "N". Where neither a "Y" nor an "N" appears, I do not have the necessary information to fill in the space. If you have information that would help fill in some of the blanks, or suggestions for other items that should be tracked on a state-by-state basis, or corrections to the list below, please send them to jack@myamiga.mixcom.com. I will re-post the list after I get more of the "holes" filled in. Disclaimer: The list below is NOT guaranteed to be accurate, but if you spot an error, PLEASE let me know about it. Murphy says that if there is only one error in the list, it will be in the item you are most interested in, so please obtain independent verification before spending any money based on what you see here! Free Caller Mandatory T/T ID Meas. Ban Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Y Colorado N Connecticut Delaware Y District Of Columbia Y Florida Y Georgia Y Hawaii N Idaho Y Illinois N Y N Indiana Y Y Iowa Kansas Kentucky Y Louisiana Y Maine Y Y Maryland Y Massachusetts Y Michigan N N N Minnesota N Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Y Y Nevada Y New Hampshire New Jersey Y New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma Y Oregon Y Y Pennsylvania N Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Y Texas Utah Vermont Y Virginia Y Washington Y West Virginia Y Wisconsin Y N Wyoming Jack Decker jack@myamiga.mixcom.com FidoNet 1:154/8 [Moderator's Note: Readers should send corrections and updates direct to Jack Decker, who will then provide us with an updated table at a later time. Can anyone tell him other categories to include? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 11:43:35 PST From: ericd@caticsuf.CSUFresno.EDU (Eric W. Douglas) Subject: Pac*Bell Line Oddity; Now a Compound Problem? Well, it seems as if the problem that was exhibited on my phone line is getting worse ... (Re: the data equipment problem ... according to a previous poster under Bell South administration, who got a positive response in that data equipment was trying to fax to his number ... and another poster from Chicago who's line exhibited the same problem. I'd say from the large distance between us, that this is a very wierd problem indeed. I think that possibly some computer has garbled its calling table, or the person who input it did it entirely incorrectly. Needless to say, I haven't had the problem again. N.O.W. To John Higdon: No, I'm not exactly sure on the tone frequencies, I don't have access to a tone generator, so I can't get a real precise measurement ... if it's any help, I'm approximately 0.75 mi from my CO.) This morning, I get a call from a friend. I answer the phone, and she says "How are you?", etc ... after about two seconds, another party enters the conversation with "Hello?". Since she was alone at her apartment, and mine is the only extension on this line, things seem to be getting very bizarre. After the conversation was over, I thought about the problem for a few minutes. I turned off all of the equipment on my line, and dialed the number from another line. Sure enough, someone answered! Ends up that it was someone who I know, who was at their mother's house, who had recently been moved to a retirement home. They were at the house getting ready to rent it out, and they were shocked when the phone kept ringing when it has supposedly been disconnected. Needless to say, I've already placed my call to 611 repair. The woman on the other end didn't seem to care very much about my problem, but said that they would have it fixed by 6pm Monday at the latest. Kind of reminds me of the Lily Tomlin/Saturday Night Live skit, "We don't care, we don't have to; we're the phone company." Anyway, since this extension was installed about two months ago, it's obvious that this pair leading from here to the CO has been tied in with one that was still in use. Today's question is, can someone tell us what the process is for determining what pair will carry a new line from the point of installation to the CO? eric (ericd@caticsuf.csufresno.edu, ericd@csufres.csufresno.edu) [Moderator's Note: Re: 'some computer is mixed up' ... what makes you think there is *only one* out there mixed up? And regards a 'process for detirmining' which pair is used for which subscriber, in some telcos, outside plant records are notoriously inaccurate. In older urban areas, the master demarc for a large apartment building will usually be a real mess. Maybe I will print the archives article on this very topic (find.pair). PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 11:00:09 PST From: rlm@ms_aspen.hac.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Really, it's an IMPORTANT Call An article in today's {Los Angeles Times}, entitled "Outdated Equipment Blamed for Flood Warning Delay", relates how the National Weather Service fell down on the job during the recent torrential rains out here, partly because of a lack of Doppler radar, and partly because of insufficient phone lines! It seems that they NWS people had to upload weather data to an Army Corps of Engineers computer which had a shared data line. As anyone who ever tried to call a busy BBS can attest to, that turned out to be a challenge. For as long as two or three hours, the report said, the NWS computer failed to connect to the Army computer, delaying information that authorities could have used to cordon off the soon-to-be-flooded Sepulveda Basin. (One wonders why they didn't call the people at the Army Corps and tell them to disconnect the person then online.) So now the Army plans to install a new phone line dedicated to weather data. You know what they say about hindsight ... Robert L. McMillin | Voice: (310) 568-3555 Hughes Aircraft/Hughes Training, Inc. | Fax: (310) 568-3574 Los Angeles, CA | Internet: rlm@ms_aspen.hac.com [Moderator's Note: Or better still, call those people and give them the basic facts so they could start emergency procedures while full details were being uploaded to them. PAT] ------------------------------ From: andys@ulysses.att.com Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 13:59:45 EST Subject: Telco Togetherness Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Murray Hill, NJ In article Pat notes: > [Moderator's Note: I'm sure you believed them. If you don't think the > telcos are all to one another in their planning of new > features, services and tariffs, try to find an example of it. Yes, in > small very minor matters they go their own way, and the features they > offer are known by different names in different places, but they all > seem to come about at the same time. PAT] Does this really seem that surprising or sinister? Even with the MFJ restrictions, the RBOCs *do* retain a rather large jointly owned R&D facility, Bellcore. That the fruits of Bellcore's labors wind up deployed at similar times in different places doesn't seem all that strange. Andy Sherman/AT&T Bell Laboratories/Murray Hill, NJ AUDIBLE: (908) 582-5928 READABLE: andys@ulysses.att.com or att!ulysses!andys What? Me speak for AT&T? You must be joking! ------------------------------ From: deej@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (david.g.lewis) Subject: Re: Party Not Answering Phone Organization: AT&T Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 17:18:01 GMT In article Michael.Bender@Eng.Sun.COM writes: > On the subject of busy being generated as close to the originating > caller as possible, I've often wondered why, when the called > subscriber goes on hook, the busy indication doesn't go away and > change to a ringing indication, as well as ringing the called > subscriber's phone? It would seem, with SS7 at least, that this would > not tie up trunks, just a signalling channel. But then I suppose you > get into the problem of which caller gets ringing indication if > multiple callers call a busy subscriber ... You could also get into problems with race conditions. The called busy party goes on hook, thus causing the terminating office to send a message towards the originating office and start power ringing on the called line. While this message is enroute, the calling party abandons the busy call. So now we've got a called line ringing and no calling line. You could get around this by having the terminating office not start power ringing until it gets back a confirmation message from the originating office, but then what if the original called party goes offhook, expecting to originate another call, while these messages are in transit? Does the terminating party get dialtone? You can't cutthrough the voicepath to the originating party, because the voicepath hasn't yet been set up (assuming it's set up in the normal way, that is, with the forward-direction messages). And if you do allow the terminating party to originate a new call, the originating party will hear (until the reverse-direction message arrives), (after the reverse-direction message arrives saying the original called party has gone onhook, and until the voicepath is established to the far end), and then again when the messages arrive at the terminating office and find the called party offhook again. In addition to these "purely" technical problems, none of this would really work with the way SS7 signaling works now, because when a terminating office determines the called line is busy, it releases the call back to the originating office. It then has no association between the called line and the incoming trunk (which has, in any case, been released). So when the called line goes onhook, there is no trunk identified with which a reverse-direction message could be associated. There is a supplementary service being defined in CCITT and T1S1 called Call Completion to Busy Subscriber (at least in T1S1); it essentially provides a "camp-on" service. When the calling party encounters busy, it can request CCBS; it then goes onhook. When the called party goes onhook, a message is sent to the originating office, which offers the calling party the opportunity to automatically re-originate the CCBS call. It doesn't provide "realtime" handling of a busy subscriber going onhook, though. My personal opinion is that a CCBS-like service is of more use than a "wait for onhook on busy"-like service, in that the calling party can be making and receiving other calls with CCBS, whereas if you just wait offhook listening for the busy tone to end, your line is tied up and unavailable. Disclaimer: any statements in this message are not meant to imply any endorsement or disendorsement (is that a word?) of any particular services, standards, protocols, etc., etc. In fact, any information that you may glean from this message about what AT&T does or does not do is probably wrong. So there. David G Lewis AT&T Bell Laboratories david.g.lewis@att.com or !att!houxa!deej ISDN Evolution Planning ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Me and My Crazy Ideas Date: 20 Feb 92 19:29:27 EST (Thu) From: dave@westmark.westmark.com (Dave Levenson) Patrick: The CID data is 1200 bps ASCII, but it is AFSK modulation. Your 1200bps full-duplex modem uses a different modulation technique, and cannot demodulate AFSK. The older half-duplex modems, 'Bell 202' and compatibles, may be able to demodulate it, but the mark and space frequencies are slightly different from what it expects. If the modem is sloppy, it can probably get the data. There are at least two products on the market designed specifically for your application. We use the ClassMate, by MHE Systems. It was reviewed in this forum, by this author, about a year ago. It is a receive-only modem (I should call it a 'dem', no?) about the size of a cigarette pack. It has a modular jack on one end, for connection to the telephone line, and a DB-25 at the other, for connection to an RS-232 data terminal. It is powered by some of the signal lines in the RS-232 interface. MHE Systems Corporation 14251 Chambers Road Tustin, CA 92680 Dave Levenson Internet: dave@westmark.com Westmark, Inc. UUCP: {uunet | rutgers | att}!westmark!dave Warren, NJ, USA Voice: 908 647 0900 Fax: 908 647 6857 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: More on Telcos and BBSs From: reginald.hirsch@yob.sccsi.com (Reginald Hirsch) Date: 22 Feb 92 08:09:00 GMT Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Reply-To: reginald.hirsch@yob.sccsi.com (Reginald Hirsch) > [Moderator's Note: I'm sure you believed them. If you don't think the > telcos are all to one another in their planning of new > features, services and tariffs, try to find an example of it. Yes, in > small very minor matters they go their own way, and the features they > offer are known by different names in different places, but they all > seem to come about at the same time. PAT] Pat, I should have listed you as an expert in 8386! (8386 was the adminstrative proceeding brought by Texas Sysops against SWB regarding their attempt to charge all BBS's at commercial rates.) [Moderator's Note: No thanks! I never go to those things. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 12:12:12 EST From: Thomas Lapp Subject: 800 Number Published In Cartoon I'm surprised not to see a humor message about someone who has called the 800 number published in the Doonsbury cartoon over the last two or three days. Surely someone in this group has called it and can save a lot of calls by telling us what it homes to? (To non-USA readers: Doonsbury is a newspaper comic strip which often makes fun of current events. The 800 number in question was part of a series of cartoons related to the USA process of campaigning for political office.) internet : mvac23!thomas@udel.edu or thomas%mvac23@udel.edu (home) ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #163 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa16713; 24 Feb 92 8:06 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA12196 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Mon, 24 Feb 1992 06:04:40 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA17693 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Mon, 24 Feb 1992 06:04:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 06:04:32 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202241204.AA17693@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #164 TELECOM Digest Mon, 24 Feb 92 06:04:11 CST Volume 12 : Issue 164 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Early History of Western Union (Fortune & Business Week via Jim Haynes) More "High-Tech" Services From BOCs (Randall C. Gellens) ISDN Market Penetration (Doctor Math) Cost of Directory Services (Doctor Math) Looking For Information on Two Mystery Modems (Michael Graff) 0+ and 950 Access to MCI -- How Do They *Really* Differ? (Phydeaux) Canadian Call Display Computer Interface (Jack Decker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: haynes@cats.UCSC.EDU (Jim Haynes) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 00:01:43 -0800 Subject: Early History of Western Union This is excerpted from {Fortune Magazine}, March 1959 - an excellent article with nice pictures, "Western Union, by Grace of FCC and AT&T". "Many legends have blurred the history of Western Union. Contrary to widely held belief, for instance, the company was not founded by Samuel F. B. Morse, the portrait painter who invented the first telegraph. Initially, as a matter of fact, it didn't even use the Morse patents and, relatively speaking, it was a latecomer to the field. "Morse did his pioneering work on the telegraph in the 1830's. By 1850 there were fifty telegraph companies operating between various cities in the U.S., most of them with licenses on the Morse patents. "In 1846, Royal E. House of Vermont had come up with a device that permitted the electrical impulse to imprint letters and numbers on tape, eliminating the dot-dash symbols. The House printer became the basis for a new company financed and operated by a group of Rochester[3] investors headed by Hiram Sibley. This was the New York & Mississippi Valley Telegraph Co., formed to link upper New York State to St. Louis. But even as Sibley's plans began to unfold, the competition in the telegraph industry became chaotic. Some cities were being served by three competing patent systems. Meanwhile the war in rates was ruinous. "Sibley had a simple solution: consolidate all the telegraph companies into one. New York & Mississippi Valley Telegraph was reincorporated as the Western Union Co., with licenses on both Morse and House patents, in New York State in 1856. Its avowed purpose was to bring together into one company all the telegraph firms then operating beyond the Hudson -- hence 'Western' Union. "Western Union grew at a fantastic rate. The New York company gobbled up hundreds of competing telegraph companies, made exclusive, and advantageous, deals with the railroads, and reached all the way to the Pacific Coast. By 1866 it had a virtual monopoly. In the first ten years of its life its capital had grown from $500,000 to $41 million. "-The war with the telephone- "The company's first brush with the telephone came in 1877, when it imperiously declined an opportunity to buy the invention of Alexander Graham Bell for $100,000. Soon after, Western Union decided to enter the telephone field via the American Speaking Telephone Co., which would exploit voice-communication patents by Elisha Gray [1] and Thomas Edison. The Western Union system was quite as good as Bell's, and Western Union began to grow in the telephone field. But in 1878, Bell sued for patent infringement. As part of the settlement, reached the next year, Western Union agreed to stay out of the voice business and Bell agreed to stay out of the telegraph business. But Bell slipped out of the agreement when it formed, in 1885, a new company called the American Telephone & Telegraph Co. "In 1909, AT&T won stock control of Western Union by purchasing the shares held by the estate of Jay Gould. Theodore Vail, a distant cousin of the Alfred Vail who had helped Morse start his telegraph line, was president of Bell at the time, and he planned to integrate the two companies. To begin with he had himself elected president of Western Union and began using it to promote the telephone by encouraging people to phone in their telegrams. Western Union had already developed a private-wire business with a volume of $3 million annually, and AT&T took this over, too, adding it to the small private-wire service it had developed on its own. "In 1914, to avert government antitrust action, AT&T disposed of its Western Union holdings, but stayed in the private-wire business. After AT&T and Western Union parted, expansion of the telgraph system merely kept pace with the increase in population. By the Thirties the business was contracting. More and more Americans forsook telegrams for long-distance phone calls and air mail. Western Union was now bothered also by competition from the Postal Telegraph Service, a system formed in the 1880's. Postal had been taken over by Sosthenes Behn of IT&T in 1928, and thereafter fought Western Union hard. As if this were not enough, AT&T introduced in 1931 its TWX service, whereby subscribers could have direct telegraphic connection with each other through a central exchange. (AT&T invited Western Union to join it in the TWX network, and later even considered selling the system to Western Union, but Western Union couldn't pay the price.) "In the early Thirties a debate began on whether there was enough telegraph business to support two telegraph companies -- meaning Western Union and Postal, but not AT&T, which most people thought of as a telephone service only. The debate was not resolved until 1943, when Congress authorized a merger of the two companies. An amendment to the same law authorized Western Union to buy the telegraphic services of AT&T -- but it did not make it mandatory for AT&T to sell." The following material comes from a {Business Week} article of approximately ten years earlier than the {Fortune} article: Nov 19, 1949. "Western Union's only all-telegraph competitor of recent years in the domestic field, Postal Telegraph, Inc. started in the 1880s. It competed with Western Union with indifferent success, but Western Union was prevented by law from buying its competitor. "Finally, during the war, it became obvious that Postal couldn't go on. Operations for several years had been dependent on RFC [2] loans. So Congress finally permitted Western Union to absorb its competitor (BW - Aug. 7 '43, p102). "Western Union was probably not too eager to acquire Postal in 1943. For one thing, Postal's facilities partly duplicated its own. Further it had (1) to take over Postal's $12.5-million debt to RFC, and (2) to guarantee jobs for most of Postal's staff for four years, despite its own heavy labor costs. "However, Western Union didn't have much choice. Otherwise the government might have taken over Postal. "Another competitor is the government-operated communications systems. The armed services and the State Department have their own networks of 'record' communications (any means of communication that produces a permanent record on paper) ..." [This seems like a silly remark to me, since the government-operated systems were based on private wires leased from the common carriers.] [1] This is the Elisha Gray who lost the race to the Patent Office to Bell. I remember in the 50s or so there was a "Gray Telephone Pay Station Co.", making pay stations almost identical in appearance to the Bell phones, for the independent companies. I wonder if this is connected with the Gray Mfg. Co. that was listed as a Western Union affiliate in another article? [2] RFC = Reconstruction Finance Corporation, a Depression-era government agency in the business of lending money to business firms to help them get back on their feet. [3] I wonder if the late Larry Lippman, in clearing out the Western Union office there, was aware that Western Union was started in Rochester. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 20:43 GMT From: Randall C Gellens <0005000102@mcimail.com> Subject: More "High-Tech" Services From BOCs Thursday's {Los Angeles Times} Business section carried a story headlined 'High-Tech Services May Be a Call Away' that mentioned a "homework hot line" in Pittsburgh, a leave-message-on-busy (like ATT&T's Voice Mark, I imagine) in Oklahoma City ($1.50), and PacBell's headline and sports scores to debut next year. It also mentiones NYNEX's electronic yellow pages, at 61c/minute, and PacBell's plan to offer customized news reports such as stock quotes and sports scores, to its voice mail customers. It says PacBell is also planning an "expanded directory assistance" which would give 411 callers more information on a business, and a "Knowlegde Gateway Network" linking California schools to the NFS database. The article sounded quite positive about these services, mentioning only that newspaper publishers fear a loss of revenue, and noting a few bills pending in Congress. There is a quote from Ivan Seidenburg of NYNEX saying the BOCs should be able to continue expanding into information services, as well as enter equipment manufactoring and long-distance: "We cannot hope to compete in the global telecommunications market of the year 2000 and beyond while living in a regulatory environment suited for 1982," he said. The only rebuttal to this view comes from David Easterly, president of the Cox Newspaper chain, and AT&T CEO Robert Allen, who counter that phone companies would use their position as local monopolies to subsidize other new businesses. This is consistent with other {L.A. Times} stories on the BOCs entry into unregulated markets: no awareness of the dangers of having a common carrier compete with its own customers, or the increase in local rates needed to subsidize such money losing ventures as charging people 61c/minute to listen to ads! At least, the article should have pointed out how silly NYNEX's statement is: it seeks to *compete* when it is a regulated monopoly. ------------------------------ From: drmath@viking.rn.com (Doctor Math) Subject: ISDN Market Penetration Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 15:46:51 EST Organization: The Department of Department of Redundancy Department The following table appeared in the Spring '92 {NeXTWORLD} alongside an article about the new Phone-Kit and ISDN-Kit in NeXTstep 3.0. Note that NYNEX is the farthest behind, which is in line with rumors about the state of the phone system in New York. RBOCs RAMP UP ISDN EFFORTS RBOC Year Lines with access Percent of Total -------------- ------- ------------------- ---------------- Ameritech 1991 2,200,000 1994 14,000,000 87 Bell Atlantic 1991 6,900,000 1994 17,100,000 90 Bell South 1991 3,100,000 1994 10,500,000 52 NYNEX 1991 2,100,000 1993 4,100,000 26 Pacific Bell 1991 3,740,000 1994 7,500,000 50 Southwestern 1991 1,127,000 Bell 1994 4,421,000 32 US West 1991 3,000,000 1994 7,300,000 51 ------------------------------ From: drmath@viking.rn.com (Doctor Math) Subject: Cost of Directory Services Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 04:44:09 EST Various things in this newsgroup and elsewhere have led to an interesting series of thoughts about directory service and the cost of providing it. A phone book costs around $30 to produce. This could be marketing crap, also. I was told this by the company who is contracted to deliver the directories. If I want to order a directory for Chicago, the charge is around $35 with shipping. If I go to Chicago and take one free from the piles free for the taking at the telco offices, it is free. If they pressed it onto a CD-ROM, it would cost around $3.00. Shipping would be negligible. NYNEX offers this and charges thousands for it, and doesn't even let you keep the discs for reference purposes. The Bells want to provide information services on-line; they would then not have to print paper directories if everyone had a terminal of some kind. Enter US West and Minitel. A recent article from this group mentions a charge of something like $0.61/minute for videotex services. This would not be out of line; there is a $0.60-0.65 charge for out-of-area information (1+NPA+555-1212) and a lesser charge for in-area information (411). The average out-of-area information call takes less than a minute, so there should very well be ample precedent for the Bells to charge "comparable" rates for "enhanced" service. Many people, including myself, are guessing that this is all gravy, and that the Bells could well provide directory information at next to nothing (on-line or on CD-ROM). Perhaps one day the Bells will back themselves into a corner? "Well," the Judge would say, "You charge $300 for a set of paper directories, and $3000 for a set of CD-ROMS, even though the paper directories cost ten times as much to print?" How many millions of paper directories printed while we wonder where our trees are going? Something to think about. ------------------------------ From: explorer@iastate.edu (Michael Graff) Subject: Looking For Information on Two Mystery Modems Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1992 21:44:12 GMT I have two modems, both made by a company called ConData. One is a P212A, while the other is a T212A. I'm looking for pinouts/manuals/whatever-I-can-get for these modems. If anyone has a hint, or better yet a manual, please let me know. Please respond via Mail because I rarely read these newsgroups. Thanks much, Michael Graff Iowa State University Computation Center Project Vincent 237 Durham voice: (515) 294-4994 explorer@iastate.edu Ames, IA 50010 fax: (515) 294-1717 gg.mlg@isumvs.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 13:18:32 PST From: reb@ingres.com (Phydeaux) Subject: 0+ and 950 Access to MCI -- How Do They *Really* Differ? I recently attempted to dial an MCI calling card call from a phone that had MCI 1+ dialing. I got the MCI 'bong' and entered my card number. My card number came up as invalid. I then tried the same call from the same phone with the MCI 950 number and it worked fine. Why did it matter which way I accessed their network? reb -- *-=#= Phydeaux =#=-* reb@ingres.com or reb%ingres.com@lll-winken.llnl.GOV ICBM: 41.55N 87.40W h:828 South May Street Chicago, IL 60607 312-733-3090 w:reb Ingres 10255 West Higgins Road Suite 500 Rosemont, IL 60018 708-803-9500 [Moderator's Note: I think the difference is that when you one plus your call, the local telco computer is validating the card number, and the telco computer will only accept telco-issued calling cards and (maybe still?) AT&T cards. To reach the MCI billing computer, you have to use 950+. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 08:50:30 CST From: Jack Decker Subject: Canadian Call Display Computer Interface A Canadian Fidonet sysop forwarded the following message to me, and I thought it might be of interest to some in this group. I have no connection whatsoever with the seller of this device or the author of the message, so obviously I cannot be responsible for any dealings you may have with this person and/or firm. * Original From: ROBERT LECHTER (1:167/159) [This address expressed in Internet notation is robert.lechter@f159.n167.z1.fidonet.org] * Original to: All SysOps Une version francaise de de message est disponibe sur demande. We would like to know how many SysOps would be interested in purchasing a Call Display unit which would interface directly with the computer via a serial cable. The unit reports the time and date of an incoming call, as well as the phone number from which it is placed. For security purposes, many SysOps have Call Display units which just show the data -- which is eventually lost. This unit will allow you to add the number to the caller log or even display it on the opening screen! Free software, by John Crouch, which reads this unit is already available on the market and would be included with the unit. It should be noted, however, that this unit will be the Canadian version, since the signal encoding for the U.S.A. and Canada are different. You will still have to get the Call Display service from Bell Canada which is in the $4-5 range per month. The cost of each of these units is unknown as of now, but will probably be slightly more expensive than the units which just display the numbers; I am talking about 100$ (Canadian). You will require a free serial port (at 1200 baud) for it to operate. If you are interested in such a unit, please reply via NetMail to this address, or contact us at one of the numbers which follows. Please note, we are still negotiating with the manufacturer, so I am not yet taking orders. I merely want to be able to tell the manufacturer that we would be interested in so many units. Robert Lechter (514) 683-9345 fax: 685-1152 Jack Decker : jack@myamiga.mixcom.com : FidoNet 1:154/8 ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #164 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa17030; 24 Feb 92 8:21 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA17628 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Mon, 24 Feb 1992 06:19:39 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA19672 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Mon, 24 Feb 1992 06:19:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 06:19:32 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202241219.AA19672@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #165 TELECOM Digest Mon, 24 Feb 92 06:19:33 CST Volume 12 : Issue 165 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Fun and Games Finding Working Pairs (TELECOM Moderator) RFD rec.radio.broadcasting/talk.radio.broadcasting (Bill Pfeiffer) Pac*Bell Wisecrack Retraction (Eric W. Douglas) Third Party Software Wanted For Watson (Philip E. Pavarini Sr.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 15:19:24 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Subject: Fun and Games Finding Working Pairs The article below appeared in TELECOM Digest in 1989, and I thought it was worth reprinting for readers who had not seen it before. I wrote the article based on my experiences here. ----------------------- The discussion in TELECOM Digest in recent issues regarding house pair wiring has been interesting, and brings to mind a problem which is chronically popping up in older urban areas like Chicago: the lack of pairs between the central office and each premise. I've experienced both a scarcity of house pairs and a scarcity of central office pairs in the past, and it is interesting watching the installer scrape together a working pair from a selection of three or four wires not in use in the junction box. In the late 1920's and early 1930's, many high rise (six stories or taller) were constructed which operated as 'apartment-hotels', that is, they had front desk, switchboard, and maid service, among other amenities. In those days not as many people had their own private phone line. Typically, in a building twenty stories tall, there would be a dozen apartments per floor, or about 240-275 units in all. Each unit had a phone through the switchboard, as did the administrative offices. So the switchboard would typically be a two or three position cord board, serving 250-275 'stations' or extension phones; all manual switching of course. Under the accepted rule of thumb that ten percent of the subscribers (tenants, in this case) maximum would be on the phone at any given time, and that some of these would be local, from one apartment to another, typically there would be only 20-25 central office trunks coming in, to handle all incoming and outgoing traffic through the board at the front desk. In the building I lived in from 1967-1974, the switchboard had 26 trunk lines in rotary hunt, from Dorchester 3-7500 up to 7525. Now there were perhaps a thousand such buildings in Chicago at one time; there were two others like this on my block alone. Sometime in the early to middle seventies, the economics of running older high rise apartment buildings was such that the owners of the building decided to close the front desk and switchboard. If the tenants wanted phones, let them get it direct from Illinois Bell. As more and more buildings chose to pull the boards out, these posed considerable problems for Bell in getting at least one pair to each person in the building. Generally the buildings had an IT, or inside terminal block somewhere near the switchboard where all the central office lines came in. From the board to the basement would be the (usually) several hundred pairs needed to bring each phone to the board. From the basement, these house pairs would typically run up through conduits to each floor, where they would open up on a smaller terminal block of maybe twenty pairs each. Let's say the apartment building had twelve apartments per floor; every apartment would have two pairs to the local box with one pair actually wired to a house pair coming into the box and the second pair just loose. Of the twenty pairs that came up through the conduit to that floor, twelve would in fact be specifically dedicated, or wired, one to each apartment on the floor. The remaining eight pairs would be multipled to the floor above and below. The end result would be a pair for every apartment, and maybe 100-150 extra pairs which could be manipulated throughout the building by tying any one of the extra pairs to the second pair for a given apartment. If necessary, the installer could open up a line at one place and tie down the multiple on the next floor, etc. The only problem then was the bottleneck *coming into the building*. Only maybe fifty pairs in all, considering the board had (like ours) around twenty five central office lines; a few direct lines to long distance if the board was big/busy enough, and maybe a pair or two to Western Union. If the building had Muzak, or Western Union Clock Service, or a telegram machine, then those each took a pair, etc. When the switchboards were pulled out, suddenly telco had to find enough pairs on the pole or in the street to bring a line (or two) into the building for everyone. This stretched things pretty thin for a few years, and in older areas where a lot of these buildings still stand, you can go into any building on the block; go to the big, humongous old fashioned wooden terminal box in the basement and get the dial tone from everyone on the block! In theory, when one person moves out somewhere in the vicinity, the phone man goes to *their basement* and opens up the pair, then goes to the place where a new subscriber wants service and attaches the multiple there. But people have moved into an apartment, plugged their phone into the jack, gotten dial tone and assumed they were connected only to later on hear someone talking on 'their' line who was actually down the street and across the alley somewhere. Other times telco has insisted the service was working, and the new subscriber was equally insistent that the line was dead. Phone man comes on scene, goes to the basement, fiddles around awhile, gets no where, goes out and climbs pole for awhile, comes back to basement and still dead pair, etc. Using a good pair to call the test board, they finally scrounge up one wire here and one wire there to make a pair for the bewildered customer, who *does* have two perfectly good pairs in his apartment. BEWARE THE INVASION OF THE PAIR-SNATCHERS! Even the most ignorant installer, if he hears dial tone on a pair will leave it alone and assume it belongs to someone in the building. But sometimes the pairs are incorrectly labled, or not labled at all. I have two lines here. One day looking out my window I saw a phone man on the pole in the alley. Two minutes later, my first line is dead. I called repair immediatly, and had a young lady sass me back and tell me it was 'impossible' that the guy on the pole had messed me up. I finally convinced her supervisor to at least call the guy on the pole and have him reconsider what he had done. There are some installers however who wish to avoid extra work for themselves and they will 'accidentally' snatch a working house pair from someone else, figuring it is just as easy for that person to call repair service and complain about their phone not working as it is for them to keep searching and ringing out (or sounding) pairs until they find a good *idle* one for themselves. In these older buildings, the house pairs are now sixty years old, and with faded tags written on by phone men who have long since departed this life; so it does get hairy at times. About ten years ago, a novice telephone installer comes to the door. Very concientous young lady that she is, she carefully holds up her ID badge and asks me to let her in the basement to work on the big box. "I am to turn on the phone in apartment 902", she beams at me. In the basement, with the covers off the terminal box she looks at this spaghetti-like mound of wire and said, "my gracious! I wonder how I will find apartment 902". I told her, you might go to 902 *first*, and see if it -is- working already. If not, put your sounder on the line up there. Then, check the box in the hall on the ninth floor and listen for your sounder. If you hear it, take note of the numbers written on the little strip of wood next to the screw terminals and then come back down here and find the same numbers on the screw terminals at this end. "Oh, do you think that would work?" Yes, I do. Sure enough, she was back five minutes later, to tell me the box on the ninth floor said HP206. I told her, now why don't you look for house pair 206 in this box. We found it, and she heard her sounder over the wire and decided 'this must be it'... She looked puzzled and said well now we have to get the line from our office. Brilliant deduction! I told her her order ticket said Rogers Park Cable 97, Pair 34 was assigned to this customer. By default, the entire terminal box in our basement is Rogers cable 97. It shows up across the street also, but that is beside the point. I told her you start in the upper left hand corner of the box and count down pair by pair. The first number is 18, so count from 18 to 34, down one row, then start at the top of the next row. Stop when you reach 34. She found it eventually, and jumped it to house pair 206. I had to feel sorry for her. She had only been working for Bell for a short time, and had probably never done anything in a large high rise building like that before. She even started to leave *without going back up to 902 to get her sounder and replace the cover on the modular box in the apartment*!! As I was in need of one at the time myself, I should have kept my mouth shut, but I knew she would get bawled out if she had lost it. I saw the same lady about a week later over at the 6800 North Sheridan Building, which years ago was the Rogers Park Hotel. She told me 'they' had assigned her to work that day with two other people, and that they were removing the switchboard from the building and putting in private direct lines for all the apartments ... a job that took several days. Quite a learning experience for her. In the past decade, Illinois Bell has added quite a bit of additional cable, so the shortages and pair snatchings are not as severe as they were, but in some older buildings, particularly when there are two or three on the same street, there is still a lot of 'fun and games' when someone wants a second or third line installed. Patrick Townson ------------------------------ From: wdp@gagme.chi.il.us (Bill Pfeiffer) Subject: RFD rec.radio.broadcasting/talk.radio.broadcasting Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois. Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1992 21:38:56 GMT This is a call for discussion on the creation of a new Usenet newsgroup, tentitively entitled rec.radio.broadcasting. I am proposing that this newsgroup be moderated, and barring any serious objection, I am offering my time and energy to BE that moderator. As the 'statement of charter' indicates, I believe that a group of this type is needed on Usenet because there is no current newsgroup dealing with the general subject of radio broadcasting. Yet radio is, arguably, the most consumed of all mass media, in terms of actual person/hours of exposure. People listen to radio in their cars, in their offices, while jogging, dining, reading, getting ready for work, commuting, and just about any other conceivable activity. Radio shapes our opinions, perceptions, musical tastes, and (hopefully) stimulates our imagination. For these reasons, and others, I propose the creation of this newsgroup. I suggest a 'moderated' format, for these reasons. 1) A properly moderated group generally produces a more concise and cohesive product w/less "net-clutter" and a higher signal/noise ratio. 2) If the moderator is knowledgable in the subject matter covered in the newsgroup, s/he can be of assistance in responding to questions posed to the group which might, otherwise, go un-answered. 3) Moderation of a newsgroup means different things to differnet people. My concept of moderation is simply to act as a buffer, weeding out test messages, repetitive, abusive or 'grossly off topic' messages, and to re-direct, misplaced articles to appropriate newsgroups. I am an experienced broadcaster, and have had an avid interest in the medium since early childhood. I would consider moderating this group an honor and a pleasure, because of my respect for the medium, and the people in it. Plus, I have time and willingness to dedicate to such a project. The tentitive name of 'rec.radio.broadcasting' (r.r.b) is, of course, open to change if a better title can be created. While the charter of the group suggests potential topics which are not specifically recreational, I tend to feel that 'rec' might be the be the most appropriate heading since the only other Usenet group dealing with domestic broadcast radio (rec.radio.noncomm) uses this heading and therefore r.r.b would be a good companion group. I considered the name 'talk.radio.broadcasting', but felt there might be a misunderstanding that the group was centered around the 'talk radio' format. Perhaps something like 'talk.broadcasting.radio' might be a good alternative, but that will be determined by you folks "out there in Usenet-land" :), assuming that the process gets that far. I do not envision r.r.b to be a replacement for any other newsgroup, including rec.radio.noncomm. The latter group's focus is on a specific genre of radio and therfore I feel the two groups would compliment, rather than compete with, one another. ****** Statement of charter; rec.radio.broadcasting. ********* Rec.radio.broadcasting (r.r.b) will be for discussion of a wide variety of subjects pertaining to the general arena of entertainment/information radio. While not specifically limited to North American broadcasting, r.r.b will avoid dealing with international (shortwave) broadcasts because this topic is already being handled in rec.radio.shortwave. Valid subjects for discussion might include (but not be limited to); 1) Programming and formats 2) Technical and engineering matters 3) Concerns of smaller market stations 4) Innovations and legislation affecting the medium (and those attempting to enter it) 5) Radio's historical & cultural significance 6) Radio news coverage and it's impact on our nation and our world. 7) Audience input and ideas for improving the state of radio broadcasting. Since rec.radio.noncommercial is the only Usenet group pertaining to domestic broadcast radio, r.r.b would provide a forum for those individuals who's interest in the medium is not limited to the non-commercial arena. I believe this group would be of great interest to Usenet participants because ... 1) Everybody listens to, and is affected by, radio broadcasting. It is the only mass media in which one can fully participate, while engaged in another activity. 2) Colleges and universities currently train, and graduate, thousands of potential radio professionals every year. These individuals would be very likely to participate in such a forum to discuss and compare notes on their chosen field of endeavor. 3) The face of radio is always changing. Satellite feeds, automation, and other influences are molding the future of the medium. This newsgroup would be a link between interested parties from all corners of the industry, keeping one-another up to date on the latest trends impacting radio broadcasting in America an beyond. ********************** End Of Statement Of Charter ********************* I welcome your comments and suggestions. If all goes reasonably well I will be putting out a 'Call For Votes' in about a month and hopefully the Usenet community will agree that such a group would be a valuable addition to it's heirarchy. Since this is not a proposal for 'splitting' an existing newsgroup, but rather for the creation of a group to fill a 'vacancy', I hope you will seriously consider a positive response to this proposal even if you, yourself, are not particularily involved or interested in broadcasting. Such a group could only augment the already diverse spectrum of Usenet newsgroups. Feel encouraged to post responses to news.groups, and/or to e-mail me directly at the following address. wdp@gagme.chi.il.us send c.c. to.. wdp@chinet.chi.il.us Thank you. William D. Pfeiffer [Moderator's Note: This is published here FYI, and discussion should be in news.groups. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 20:11:10 PST From: ericd@caticsuf.CSUFresno.EDU (Eric W. Douglas) Subject: Pac*Bell Wisecrack Retraction Well, I publicly apologize to Pac*Bell, especially the lineman who showed up at my house Sunday morning at 10 am, to let me know that they'd corrected the problem with my phone line. They'd found the "sleeper", and had removed it. eric (ericd@caticsuf.csufresno.edu, ericd@csufres.csufresno.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 20:23 EST From: pps@pavnet.nshore.ncoast.org (Philip E. Pavarini Sr.) Subject: Third Party Software Wanted For Watson Organization: PAVNET News & Mail Service I have a Watson voice messaging board manufactured by Natural MicroSystems. Does anyone have any third party software written for this board? Or can anyone tell me where to get third party software? pavnet!pps pps@pavnet.nshore.ncoast.org ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #165 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa18607; 24 Feb 92 9:17 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA02414 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Mon, 24 Feb 1992 07:08:04 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA12009 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Mon, 24 Feb 1992 07:07:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 07:07:44 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202241307.AA12009@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #166 TELECOM Digest Mon, 24 Feb 92 07:07:41 CST Volume 12 : Issue 166 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: Inmarsat Directory Assistance (John R. Covert) Re: Inmarsat Directory Assistance (Robert L. McMillin) Re: Inmarsat Directory Assistance (Don Maslin) Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary (Walter Scott) Re: Kansas City Sysops and Southwestern Bell (Peter da Silva) Re: Telco Data Services (Phil Karn) Re: 800 vs. 10xxx Codes (Phil Howard) Re: Alternatives to MOH (Laird P. Broadfield) Re: Call-Forwarding Features Return CT-NY (David Niebuhr) Re: Pac*Bell Line Oddity; Now a Comound Problem? (Steve Forrette) Re: Bellcore's New NANP (David G. Lewis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 13:45:48 PST From: John R. Covert Subject: Re: Inmarsat Directory Assistance > I chose Pacific and tried to get a number for the Exxon Valdez. The reason you were unable to get a number for the Exxon Valdez is that the ship has been renamed and also moved to a different area of operation. > In the U.S., a long distance operator (such AT&T operator or > International Assistance) should be able to connect with the Inmarsat > assistance. Or just call 800 424-9152. It's free, and AT&T charges for connecting to overseas directory assistance now because other carriers, not providing the service, were telling their customers to dial 10288-0 for directory assistance, then getting revenue for the call without spending the money to get the number. Canadians may continue to call their operator, since there is, as yet, no charge for international D.A., since there is still only one carrier for calls originating in Canada. BTW, I once tried to get Peter Arnett's number in Baghdad, and funny thing, they weren't willing to give it out. Numbers are only listed at the subscriber's request. If you forget the 800 number, remember that it is listed as MARISAT, not as INMARSAT. /john ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 13:29:18 PST From: rlm@ms_aspen.hac.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Re: Inmarsat Directory Assistance Dave Leibold writes: > I requested a directory assistance for Inmarsat from a Bell Canada > operator. The operator wanted to know which Inmarsat region was > involved (Atlantic East, Atlantic West, Indian, Pacific). I chose > Pacific and tried to get a number for the Exxon Valdez. The directory > assistance operator came on, took the request, but didn't find Exxon > Valdez as such, but I got a seven digit number for the Exxon California. > (Other Exxon ____ ships were available as well). You may be interested to know that Exxon renamed the Exxon Valdez last year, which would explain why you couldn't find that ship via directory assistance -- it doesn't exist. Considering the well-known nautical lore that renaming a ship causes bad luck, I wonder what Exxon's management was thinking at the time. Robert L. McMillin | Voice: (310) 568-3555 Hughes Aircraft/Hughes Training, Inc. | Fax: (310) 568-3574 Los Angeles, CA | Internet: rlm@ms_aspen.hac.com [Moderator's Note: Well, any possible bad luck couldn't be much worse than what the Valdez already experienced with the horrible mess in Alaska a couple years ago. :( PAT] ------------------------------ From: donm@pnet01.cts.com (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Inmarsat Directory Assistance Organization: People-Net [pnet01], El Cajon CA Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 00:16:17 GMT Dave.Leibold@f524.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Leibold) writes: > I requested a directory assistance for Inmarsat from a Bell Canada > operator. The operator wanted to know which Inmarsat region was > involved (Atlantic East, Atlantic West, Indian, Pacific). I chose > Pacific and tried to get a number for the Exxon Valdez. The directory > assistance operator came on, took the request, but didn't find Exxon > Valdez as such, but I got a seven digit number for the Exxon California. > (Other Exxon ____ ships were available as well). Probably, the reason is that the Exxon Valdez was recommissioned as the Exxon Mediteranean (if I remember correctly) after repairs were completed. As the name implies, she is no longer in the Pacific. UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!donm ARPA: crash!pnet01!donm@nosc.mil INET: donm@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary From: walter@halcyon.com (Walter Scott) Reply-To: walter@halcyon.com Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 08:28:35 PST Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes: >> If Wagner "continues to receive income from the LINES in question", >> I'd like to see Mr. Bush present to us some evidence to back this >> statement up. > Try the monthly statement of the FidoNet Net-1:105 echomail fund and > the FidoNet Region-1:17 echomail fund, which pay the bill for at least > one of the lines in question. If you really need a copy of these > statements, write to Bob Hay 1:105/54.3 aka bob.hay@p3.f54.n105.z1. > fidonet.org, treasurer of those funds. > If it ain't going to Tony's phone bill, then a whole lot of us are > gonna be pissed off at Bob Hay if we can find him. :-) The idea, from my perspective, is to get at the truth, whatever that might be. I appreciate the reference provided above. However, YOU are the one making assertions here that require some presentation of evidence in order to maintain some level of credibility. Thus, it would be helpful if you could present excerpts of, or entire statements provided by Bay. If Wagner is not on the up and up, pure, unfiltered evidence will sink him. So far, I haven't seen any such evidence presented by you who make assertions relevant to this thread. Now, if we are dealing with FidoNet and sharing of expenses by SysOps: Are you or would you then support the notion that a FidoNet HUB must resign him/herself to paying business rates simply because he/she is compensated for the cost of forwarding mail into FidoNet at whatever cost? What impact do you think this would have on FidoNet in Oregon, IF this is the way you see things? If I, and someone else, are not well informed about what is going on in Oregon, educate us. We are here (those of us collectively reading the Digest) to, among other things, learn. Be our teacher. Walter Scott The 23:00 News and Mail Service - +1 206 292 9048 - Seattle, WA USA ------------------------------ From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Kansas City Sysops and Southwestern Bell Organization: Taronga Park BBS Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 00:25:10 GMT In article drmath@viking.rn.com (Doctor Math) writes: > I didn't get this one either. Obviously, taking out an ad in a > magazine is "advertising", but what about being listed in a BBS list > in the back of {Computer Currents}? Or being listed in the {Nixpub}, > the Public Access Unix listing that circulates around the net? Well, that's why I said "depending what they mean by advertising". Since most BBS listings will accept any entry from anyone, that would probably be a bad idea: the LOC could simply send in fake listings for BBSes and charge them business rates on that basis. It would have to be a deliberate action on the part of the sysop, tracable back to him. What basis does "Computer Currents" use for judging the validity of listings? Peter da Silva. Taronga Park BBS. +1 713 568 0480|1032 2400/n/8/1. ------------------------------ From: karn@chicago.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) Subject: Re: Telco Data Services Organization: Very little Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 20:57:44 GMT In article kentrox!bud@uunet.uu.net writes: > I'm not at all sure of the telco's dedication to the concept, but have > you looked at SMDS? Yes, I am quite familiar with SMDS. A couple of years before I left Bellcore, I participated in a rather in-depth internal review of SMDS. In theory, SMDS is quite nice. The details are a little too contaminated by IEEE 802.6 and ATM brain-damage -- there's a lot of gratuitous complexity that will make the system much harder to implement than it need be -- but unlike ISDN, the service model is fundamentally sound. (Aside: why can't people learn that when standards committees screw up, as they so often do, the proper thing to do is to IGNORE them? If you slavishly accept a standard, no matter how broken, just because it came from an august body like CCITT, ISO or TIA, then you're just inviting them to come back and do it to you again and again. Somebody has to teach the standards committees that their work will have to earn the right to be called a "standard".) Anyway, the real question, as you allude, is the telco's dedication to the concept. Sure, there's been plenty of lip service. But as with ISDN, I've seen little to give me hope that this service will really become ubiquitous and affordable. Also, remember that SMDS is being targeted for large multi-location companies, ones who can already afford T-1 or faster leased lines between their facilities. I can guarantee you that you won't be able to afford SMDS service to your house. The root problem, of course, is that the telcos have virtually no competition to spur them on. They have little motivation to provide SMDS any time soon, especially since the main "competition" is from (and to) their own leased-line services. (The commercial components of the Internet are too small to be meaningful to the telcos, and in any event they generally provide inter-lata service, which is barred to the telcos under the terms of the MFJ.) Don't misunderstand me, I would *love* to be proved wrong on all this. In the rather unlikely event that the telcos were to see my note and be so ashamed by it that they were to immediately tariff universal ISDN and SMDS at reasonable rates, I would be absolutely delighted. I'd sign up tomorrow. But I'm not holding my breath, and that's why I'm advocating a packet radio data service that bypasses the telcos entirely. Because even if it lasts only until the telcos are spurred to action, it will have been well worth it. And if the telcos ignore it, well, then at least we'd have a reasonable data network to use. Phil PS: Needless to say, these are strictly my own personal opinions. ------------------------------ From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard KA9WGN / I am the NRA) Subject: Re: 800 vs. 10xxx Codes Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 23:17:50 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt) writes: > I get an intercept recording "We're sorry, it is not necessary to dial > a long distance access code for this number". (It really means "it is > necessary to NOT dial a long distance access code"). I don't have a > chance to enter the last four digits. If it matters, I don't have a > default long distance carrier. Calls were made from 817-249 (Fort > Worth). > Maybe it works if I guess the right carrier, but I tried the Big 3 > above, and it wasn't any of them. > [Moderator's Note: Let me rephrase my original statement. The LEC will > not route 1-800 calls according to your instructions. It will either > ignore the 10xxx dialing and proceed with the call, or as you found > out, it will object to 10xxx and dump the call completely. On 800 > calls, the recipient detirmines what carrier is to be used to place > the call. You can't override it. PAT] I don't have a default LD carrier either. Even if I know the 800 number is using AT&T, for instance, adding 10288 to the front dumps me to the recording (which as you pointed out is stating the facts incorrectly). Just dialing the number as it, without the LD access code, puts the call through just fine, as it does with long distance calls handled by the local carrier instead of an LD carrier. Phil Howard --- KA9WGN --- pdh@netcom.com [Moderator's Note: It might be correct to say that the prefix in an 800 call, ie, 800-xxx, the 'xxx' serves the same purpose as 10xxx, that is, it says to the originating telco 'this is a collect call to a subscriber of xxx'. The prefix following the 800 overrides any other instructions given, such as the 10xxx on the front. PAT] ------------------------------ From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield) Subject: Re: Alternatives to MOH Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1992 07:25:49 GMT > [Moderator's Note: A lot of classical stuff is in the public domain > because of its age, is it not? You don't have to pay fees for public > domain music. But, we are way off telecom. Let's call it quits. PAT] Sure, but even if you don't pass this on, you should understand why that's not right. The music itself (the unique arrangement of notes) is indeed in the public domain due to its age, just like older written works. However, the *performance* by the talent is also a unique and creative effort, equally protected. If you choose to put Mendelssohn's Concerto in E minor on your MOH, you don't owe Mendelssohn a penny. You *do* owe Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg (who played it on your CD). Similarly, Rostand's play Cyrano is yours to type in. In the original French text. The translation is the creative work of the translator, and you owe him. The "rendition" into the exact image in the book is the "creative" (sorta) work of the publisher; if you photocopied the book, you'd owe them too. Laird P. Broadfield lairdb@crash.cts.com ...{ucsd, nosc}!crash!lairdb [Moderator's Note: What about TROH (Talk Radio on Hold)? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 06:58:20 -0500 From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) Subject: Re: Call-Forwarding Features Return CT-NY In bill@eedsp.gatech.edu writes: > I would be interested in knowing how the Motorola switch is connected > to the Ericssons and what protocol is used. A friend in-the-know on > cellular matters speculated that perhaps SS-7 is being used. I know > that there is a cellular system in South Florida which is connected to > the LEC with SS-7. I wonder if that is the case up north, as well? I've seen the mention of an Ericsson switch here, in the papers and have run into it on a few exchanges in the 516 area code. In the first two instances, no mention of what the switch was used for with the exception of the above. If that's the case then there are a few exchanges in a.c. 516 wired for SS7. I tend to feel as Bill says that the Ericsson is used for cellullar but am not sure. Any assistance appreciated. Dave Niebuhr Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973 (516)-282-3093 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 07:19:09 pst From: Steve Forrette Subject: Re: Pac*Bell Line Oddity; Now a Comound Problem? Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA In article is written: > Kind of reminds me of the Lily Tomlin/Saturday Night Live skit, "We > don't care, we don't have to; we're the phone company." About a month ago, I saw a wonderful bumper sticker on a car. It had the old "Bell System" logo on the left (bell in a circle printed in traditional light blue ink) with the words "We don't care. We don't have to." on the right. Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com ------------------------------ From: deej@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (david.g.lewis) Subject: Re: Bellcore's New NANP Organization: AT&T Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1992 16:54:01 GMT In article 0003991080@mcimail.com (Proctor & Associates) writes: > John R. Levine writes: >> According to {Newsbytes} Bellcore has distributed a "Proposal on the >> Future of Numbering in World Zone 1" ... Is it >> possible to get a copy easily? > I am not sure how to get on the distribution list for this document, > but a couple of names on the cover letter and follow-up letter for > questions were Fred Gaechter (201-740-4596) and James Deak > (201-740-4594), both of North American Numbering Plan Administration > at Bellcore. I suppose that one could call them to get a copy. As a favor to Messrs. Gaechter and Deak ... please do *not* call them directly asking for copies. They're listed as technical contacts to whom you can address technical questions about the document. To request the document, I'd suggest you call the Bellcore Documentation center at 1-800-521-CORE (+1 908 699 5800 for foreign calls). They should be able to look up the document and provide ordering information, and take the order over the phone. (Bellcore accepts all major credit cards...) ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #166 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa20219; 24 Feb 92 10:11 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA01144 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Mon, 24 Feb 1992 07:57:26 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA30675 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Mon, 24 Feb 1992 07:57:13 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 07:57:13 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202241357.AA30675@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #167 TELECOM Digest Mon, 24 Feb 92 07:57:01 CST Volume 12 : Issue 167 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: Party Not Answering Phone (Peter da Silva) Re: How Are Exchanges Assigned (David Niebuhr) Re: Digit Absorption (Alan L. Varney) Re: Acoustic Coupler Needed - Please Help! (whknight@sdf.LoneStar.ORG) Re: 800 Number Published in Cartoon (John R. Covert) E911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) (Phil Howard) E911 (was Caller ID Information Wanted) (Bob Turner) When and How is CID Available? (Thomas K. Hinders) *67 Effect on 800 Numbers? (Eric Thompson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Party Not Answering Phone Organization: Taronga Park BBS Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 00:14:36 GMT > [Moderator's Note: Peter asked me to leave the numbers in the message, > which I have done. But the analogy is not fair! Of course not. I'm running a BBS. > He specifically invites calls, and no doubt responds to calls with > software which is difficult or impossible to break out of via the > modem; Anyone running a computer connected to a modem attempts to do the same thing. This software, under UNIX, is the program "login". If it is secure, so is anyone else's BBS or login program. If not, the user can get through that security to a shell. > thus the operating system and remainder of the computer is safe from > intrusion, meaning the computer is only in a limited way 'usable'. Well, I will happily set you up a shell account, Pat, and you can judge its usability yourself. Peter da Silva. Taronga Park BBS. +1 713 568 0480|1032 2400/n/8/1. [Moderator's Note: No, but thanks anyway. I've got too many accounts now to use most of them on a regular basis. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 12:45:34 -0500 From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) Subject: Re: How Are Exchanges Assigned In grout@sp90.csrd.uiuc.edu (John R. Grout) writes: > Dave.Leibold@f524.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Leibold) writes: [Text deleted ... goes on to explain how just the last four digits on an older step-by-step switch absorbed portions of the exchange numbers.] > The cases of shortened dialing I've heard about didn't use this > technique as you described it: instead, they had five digit dialing > for some local calls and restricted the exchanges in the local calling > area so the first digit one dialed (which would be the third digit of > the exchange) would uniquely identify the call as a five-digit local > call and that only four digits would follow. For example, if one's > local exchanges were 225 and 227, no other seven-digit dialed > exchanges in one's dialing area would be allowed to begin with 5 or 7. > This would lead to complex patterns of exchange assignment: I never > saw it used except in isolated areas where there were few exchanges in > the local dialing area to consider. I seem to remember this situation in the Sioux City, Iowa - South Sioux City, Nebraska telephone connections. All numbers internal to Sioux City were five-digit and all numbers in South Sioux City were four-digit. When crossing the boundary in either direction, five digits were used. Internal to South Sioux City, the numbers were four. Callers out of that area simply referred to the five digit number and the call was routed. This was in the '50s and '60s and has changed since then to where the full seven-digit number is now required. Dave Niebuhr Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973 (516)-282-3093 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 16:13:40 CST From: varney@ihlpf.att.com (Alan L Varney) Subject: Re: Digit Absorption Organization: AT&T Network Systems I'm mixing Carl's questions with some earlier comments by "j-grout". I hope they don't mind my jumping in ... First, Dave.Leibold@f524.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Leibold) writes: >> In many cases, older step-by-step technologies will have >> likely determined how exchanges would be assigned. For instance, it >> was expensive to put in equipment to process extra number >> combinations; "digit absorbing" was used instead. >> For instance, an exchange with 523-xxxx numbers could be set up on a >> step-by-step so that only the last four digits need be used to >> complete a call to another 523-xxxx number. >> .... Thus, it would not be possible to use other prefixes >> such as 532 or 252 or 333 for a local call from such an exchange; >> furthermore, care would have to be taken to avoid a conflict with >> local calling (say 523-4xxx local numbers were in effect; you could >> not put a 234-xxxx exchange in service without overhauling the service >> on 523-xxxx since 234 would be interpreted as 523-4 ...) In article cmoore@BRL.MIL (Carl Moore) asks: > In this sample, you're saying that the 23 in "234" would be > interpreted as the last part of "523"? Sort of! He's saying that you dial local numbers with only four digits, with the "523" prefix "absorbed". In most cases, the absorption does not care about digit order -- so the "234-xxxx" digits are interpreted as "junk" "junk" "4". In fact, dialing "523-4xxx", "225-4xxx" or even "25253535225-4xxx" would place the same call. The absorption of "523" would prevent the assignment of ANY NXX within the local area containing the digits 2,3 or 5. There were cases where the first digit has to be "5" to trigger absorption, but these have largely disappeared. However, this is unlikely to be a problem in the USA today, because it is likely that the only places with such dialing plans are small SXS offices called Community Dial Offices (CDOs). And such places only had one (or 2) NXXs in their "local" area. Since they couldn't do all the things a real Class 5 CO could do (such a billing or real seven-digit number routing), they typically "homed" on a local tandem switch for any fancy routing. For most purposes, you could consider CDOs a "public" PBX, only there were no "features" (unless you call eight-party lines a feature :-)) My home town is a good example of such a system (or was until last November). Small Kansas town, 580+ people, another 50 or so farms served by the CDO. Probably less than 400 telephone numbers in use, since EVERY number is of the form NXX-3AXX, where A is 2-6 {500 numbers max.}. The telephone directory is published in 5"x8" format, with: 32 pages of Instructions 17 pages of listings for the big town 18 miles south (2200 folks) 3 pages of listings for my hometown (pop. about 580) 6 pages of listings for the county seat (pop. 1100) 36 pages of "Yellow Pages" 12 pages of advertising for Southwestern Bell Yellow Pages!! New directories are distributed using the Post Office. As listed in the front of the directory, "The local calling area for ______ includes all telephone numbers beginning with the YYY prefix." This is repeated for each town; that's right, only one NXX to remember for local calls. :-( So the CDO was wired to accept the following as the first dialed digit: 1 -- a "1+" Toll call, bridge to tandem for remaining digits 0 -- an operator call (until ANI-D(?) was installed, an operator would come on after the full number and ask "Your number please?" for billing. Also always needed on those eight-party lines.) 3 -- a local four-digit call (next digit in the 2-6 range) anything else was absorbed, unless someone took the trouble to handle "9" as a probable "911" call, and sent it to the operator or fire department -- there is no "police" number. So adding new NXXs to the NPA caused no changes in the CDO; you would have to dial "1+" to reach it anyway. Now they have their own little Ericsson switch, and have to dial seven digits for local calls -- but the first four digits are always the same (NXX-3). My suggestion to a SW Bell friend that they should just use Centrex to continue to allow four-digit dialing was ignored. And I had to explain to my 90-year-old grandmother that it was "people", not technology, forcing her to dial all those extra digits. And in article j-grout@uiuc.edu adds: > The cases of shortened dialing I've heard about didn't use this > technique as you described it: instead, they had five digit dialing > for some local calls and restricted the exchanges in the local calling > area so the first digit one dialed (which would be the third digit of > the exchange) would uniquely identify the call as a five-digit local > call and that only four digits would follow. For example, if one's > local exchanges were 225 and 227, no other seven-digit dialed > exchanges in one's dialing area would be allowed to begin with 5 or 7. > This would lead to complex patterns of exchange assignment: I never > saw it used except in isolated areas where there were few exchanges in > the local dialing area to consider. Watch what you call "isolated areas", sir. Your five digit version of local calling was typically implemented in Crossbar COs, or larger SXSs. In the 1970's, Kansas State University had the 532 prefix and the city of Manhattan (the Little Apple) had 539. One would dial "9-xxxx" to reach an off-campus number and "2-xxxx" to reach an on-campus number. Anything else was "1+" toll. I still remember "Wolfi's Deli" was "WOLFI". I believe Manhattan is now a Number 1 ESS(tm) Switch, and uses seven-digit dialing. But it's unlikely Fort Riley can be reached without "1+". Al Varney - AT&T Network Systems - None of the above has been authorized by AT&T in any way. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 09:49 CST From: whknight@sdf.LoneStar.ORG Subject: Re: Acoustic Coupler Needed - Please Help! 31919 1st Avenue S., Suite 100 Federal Way, WA 98003-5258 orderline: 1-800-531-7276 You can have information about it (the coupler's Fax-on demand # is 21) by calling 1-206-946-5129. [Moderator's Note: But you failed to give us the company name! Who is this supposed to be? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 13:48:06 PST From: John R. Covert 23-Feb-1992 1626 Subject: Re: 800 Number Published in Cartoon The 800 number published in Doonesbury last week was exactly what the strip said it was: The number for "Jerry Brown for President." If 100,000 readers called it to see what it was, I suspect it cost Jerry's campaign on the order of $10,000. Do you think it got him that much in contributions? /john ------------------------------ From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard KA9WGN / I am the NRA) Subject: E911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 92 23:12:50 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) > [Moderator's Note: The reason for 'all those questions' was two-fold ... > to the firemen or police officers.' Two, the situation with 911 in > northern Illinois is still sort of messy. Many small towns share the > same telephone exchange, but for political reasons they cannot decide > among themselves who will answer 911 calls for the other(s). So they > keep on using a seven-digit number despite the state law (911 Enabling > Act) which required everyone to have 911 by last year. Due to the very Why is it that the E911 system cannot use the callers number as an index to determine which agency to route the call to? There are LOTS of exchange boundaries that are not in sync with political boundaries. The lack of this capability sure seems to be a crimp in the effectiveness of E911. I know they had this problem in Champaign county in central Illinois, where they did this on a county wide basis, but there were a few exchanges crossing county boundaries. Phil Howard --- KA9WGN --- pdh@netcom.com [Moderator's Note: I don't know why IBT can't do it. I have heard of other places where calls to 911 can be sorted down to the last four digits using a data base. In fact we've had articles here about it, although the implication was the data base was not very accurate much of the time, leading to delays in firemen arriving, etc. PAT] ------------------------------ From: turner@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Bob Turner) Subject: E911 (was Re: Caller ID Information Wanted) Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 18:01:49 GMT In article tnixon@hayes.com (Toby Nixon) writes: > In article , aa588@cleveland.Freenet.Edu > (Eddie Anthony) writes: >> phones to trace the cranks and the suicide calls and such, but can the >> necessary circuitry be in place for JUST the police departments or >> would it have to be implemented for a whole system? > Enhanced 911 systems DO NOT use the same technology as Caller ID. > With Enhanced 911, there is a high-speed leased line from the phone > company database (which has subscriber addresses) directly into the > police department's dispatch computer. When a call comes into the > police, the calling number information goes to the database computer, > which looks up the subscriber information (name, address, etc.) and > sends it through the separate out-of-band connection to the police's > computer; the call and the information arrive at about the same time, > but through different routes. Not necessarily ... many E911 systems today are using on-premises databases so that they don't have to pay the outragous fees that some telcos want for access to the database. It is a little more complicated than that but that is the jist of it. > Caller ID is delivered on the same line as the actual call, by sending > modulated data between the first and second rings. It is an entirely > different technology from Enhanced 911. I suppose in some small rural > police and fire departments they might use Caller ID because they > can't afford to pay for an E911 system, but they also will get only > the number and not the name or address (which doesn't help them to get > to the fire faster, but only to prosecute false alarms). I would be real suprised if there were 911 systems depending on CID for ANI delivery. Reasoning: an E911 trunk doesn't require any super fancy equipment. There is a MF trunk card for the E911 trunk. This card in turn connects to an identifier, such as an ANI-C, which most CO's have. (At least the ones I have seen and heard about). Several manufacturers (Proctor & Associates for example) have addon equipment to add E911 trunks to an existing switch. I am not sure its that easy to add CLASS to older existing switches. Bob Turner System Engineer and Programmer 513-434-2738 turner@udecc.engr.udayton.edu CommSys, Inc. 77 West Elmwwod Drive, Suite 101, Dayton, OH 45459 ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 92 16:04:12+0500 From: /PN=Thomas.K.Hinders/OU=CCMAIL/O=CHAN.IS/PRMD=MMC/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com Subject: When and How is CID Available? A couple of quick questions: - Is CID "enabled" on all lines, and all you have to do is obtain/build a CID box? - I have a el-cheapo eletronic phone that chirps whenever someone goes off-hook. It also chirps at 2AM on a regular basis. My guess is that the local phone co is testing the lines ... any other thoughts? Thanks in advance. Thomas K Hinders Martin Marietta Computing Standards 703.802.5593 (v) 703.802.5975 (f) [Moderator's Note: No, it is not 'enabled' on all lines, ala touchtone. Delivery is only made when you subscribe to the service. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 02:36:44 -0800 From: Eric Thompson Subject: *67 Effect on 800 Numbers? Hi, This is probably an easily answered question.. I know *67 is for blocking Caller-ID, and even though we don't have CLASS services in CA, *67 still returns a staggered dial-tone. The question is, when you dial 800 numbers after entering *67, do they still receive information about the calling number? I guess I'm not sure whether per-call blocking blocks *all* information about a calling number (e.g. to 800 numbers), or just the Caller-ID for people who subscribe to CLASS services. Thanks, Eric [Moderator's Note: You cannot block your number from being received by a 700, 800, 900 or 976 service. Nor can you block your number from being received by 911, the operator or other telco administrative lines. You cannot block delivery of your number to another carrier when dialing via 10xxx or 950. The use of *67 on these calls is ineffectual. The *67 will be accepted, and ignored. I might also add that on some switches, if using both *67 and *70 at the start of a call, the *67 must come first. Not always, but some places will ignore it if it is not seen before the suspend call waiting request. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #167 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa23328; 25 Feb 92 1:50 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA15390 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Mon, 24 Feb 1992 23:36:02 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA17052 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Mon, 24 Feb 1992 23:35:47 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 23:35:47 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202250535.AA17052@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #168 TELECOM Digest Mon, 24 Feb 92 23:35:21 CST Volume 12 : Issue 168 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Phones Rattle and Hum in U2 Ticket Rush (Boston Globe via B.J. Herbison) ISDN Payphones in Japan (Ted M.A. Timar) ISDN Market Penetration (Hector Myerston) Bell Canada Changes Payphone Compensation (Dave Leibold) Learning DSP With Motorola's New Evaluation Board (Joe Jesson) Thoughts on BBS Rates (Jack Winslade) 1+ Also Removed From a Portion of 717 (Carl Moore) The Intelligent Network and Service Creation Environment (Tom Gray) Voice-Mail Software (Brian Hendrix) Seeking-Reverse Telephone Book (Richard B. August) Looking for OKI 900 Cellular Phone Programming Guide (Seng-Poh Lee) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 11:23:29 PST From: B.J. Subject: Phones Rattle and Hum in U2 Ticket Rush [From {The Boston Globe}, Monday 24 February 1992, page 15. B.J.] By Steve Morse / Globe Staff [Music reporter--B.J.] Irish rockers U2 left local telephone operators hasping for breath yesterday. In an unprecedented move designed to thwart scalpers, tickets for U2's March 17 show at Boston Garden went on sale through telephone charge only -- and the result was a long morning for the phone company. "It was complete gridlock. I don't know how else to describe it. The bombed us right out of the water," said Joanne Waddell, a New England Telephone manager. "We expected a lot of calls ... but this was unbelievable. Our operators [?] were clicking away like crazy out there." The Garden show sold out in 4 1/2 hours, said Doug Borg of Tea Party Concerts, adding that it took that long because there was a two-ticket limit per person -- another step taken to frustrate scalpers. "The demand was overwhelming. I heard there were a half-million calls in the first hour," said Larry Moulter, president of Boston Garden. The telephone company said exact figures were not yet available, but Moulter's information is consistent with a recent U2 sale in Atlanta, where more than one million calls, many from eager fans with automatic redial, were logged. "I don't really have a number. It's safe to say thousands, many thousands," said Peter Cronin, a spokesman for New England Telephone. He admitted there were minor delays in getting a dial tone, but that it was "not a serious situation. If people stayed on the line, they'd get dial tone in a few seconds." [Stuff omitted. There were 100 lines selling sales for the Garden concert. They checked for duplicate names, credit card numbers and addresses (to help enforce the limit of two per person) and caught `some' attempts to use a card number more than once.] "Who is this U2? I never heard of them before," said Waddell of New England Telephone. "I haven't heard the term U2 since the Second World War. Guess that just goes to show the age bracket I'm in." ------------------------------ From: tmatimar@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (Ted M A Timar) Subject: ISDN Payphones in Japan Reply-To: tmatimar@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp Organization: Omron Corporation Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 12:54:47 GMT I was walking towards Osaka Stadium with some friends when I happened to notice a payphone that looked different from any I'd seen before. My friends spent the next few minutes trying to pry me away. While I was there, I determined that the phone was an ISDN Payphone. It has a 3 by 4 inch LCD display in English or Japanese. The display provides an information menu that can be perused without using the phone. The phone can be used for normal voice purposes (like most payphones.) But it also has two modular jacks, labeled "digital" and "analog". The analog jack can be used for either a normal telephone or for analog data communication. I cannot imagine why someone would want to plug a normal telephone into a payphone. The digital jack provides direct access to 2B + 1D ISDN services, though I know nothing of the details. The phones appear to accept only Japanese telephone cards from NTT (basic debit cards). I was considering trying one, but I could only use it for normal voice, as I didn't happen to be carrying any portable ISDN capable equipment with me at the time. Has anyone seen any portable computers with ISDN connectors? Who does NTT imagine will be using these. Locating them directly outside Osaka Stadium and providing english menus would suggest that they expect the press to be using them to upload stories, and probably pictures. (My guess.) Any comments? Do these exist elsewhere yet? Ted Timar tmatimar@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 1992 11:30:27 -0800 From: "Hector Myerston" Subject: ISDN Market Penetration In Issue 164 Doctor Math (drmath@viking.m.com) quotes figures from NeXT WORLD on "Lines with access". Readers might be interested to know what these figures (around 18 million for 1991) really mean. They are the latest wringle in the ISDN dis-information campaign promoted by the ISDN "True Believers". The figures represent the TOTAL number of lines served by central offices which are theoretically CAPABLE of providing ISDN. The actual number of EQUIPPED ISDN lines is probably less than 250,000 nationwide. The actual number in use is less than 200,000. The actual number in use by real world users is probably less than 100,000. (The rest are the RBOCS themselves, AT&T and other ISDN insiders such as equipment developers). Using the quoted figures to judge market penetration is like estimating car sales by counting driver's licenses; it is related but not determinative. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1992 00:04:18 -0500 From: Dave.Leibold@f524.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Leibold) Subject: Bell Canada Changes Payphone Compensation {The Toronto Star} reports that Bell Canada will be giving businesses with public telephones a cut of the long distance revenues from those payphones. Previously, payphone agents got 11% of local call revenues for having the payphone on hand. The new deal means 4-7% on total revenues (adding long distance revenues as well as local) with higher volumes of calls getting bigger bonus percentages. Yet, some smaller payphone agents are finding themselves shortchanged with the new commission structure. Minimum monthly revenue requirements are specified before commissions can take effect. One business expects that even under a long-term contract (Bell is encouraging longer term commitments from its payphone agents) there would still be a drop in payphone commissions from CAD$400 to CAD$300. Some telephone competiton lobby concerns are being raised about the longer term contracts precluding businesses from seeking a better revenue deal (from a forthcoming COCOT supplier?) later on. While Bell Canada has a legal monopoly on payphones, this could change with the increasing competition in Canada (ie. the spectre of COCOTs with their own commission/revenue sharing deals). dave.leibold@f524.n250.z1.fidonet.org dleibold1@attmail.com djcl@zooid.guild.org Dave Leibold - via FidoNet node 1:250/98 INTERNET: Dave.Leibold@f524.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------ From: jessonj@nic.cerf.net (Joe Jesson) Subject: Learning DSP With Motorola's New Evaluation Board Date: 24 Feb 92 04:22:36 GMT Organization: CERFnet Well, after reading about the new Motorola MC68HC16Z1 microcontroller with DSP, I finally purchased their evaluation board. Motorola was hyping the $168.16 evaluation board was worth $500.00 in parts! How could I refuse such a deal? The ad went on to say if I finished one of the tutorial projects (all parts included), I would receive a $68.16 cash rebate from Motorola -- total cash outlay of $100.00. What kind of DSP system did I get for minimal dollars? I was REALLY surprised when I opened the large boxes. Two boxes with the following hardware and software: - Assembled and Tested Evaluation Board with MC68HC16, Monitor ROM, and RS232 Serial Port Hardware - Secondary LED Display Board for the DSP Tutorial (Frequency Analyzer) - MSDOS Cross Assembler to MC68HC16 Code - Small C Compiler (Minimal Freeware, you are expected to purchase the full-size C Compiler if you like the "trial" size) - Books, MANY books on the IC, DSP fundamentals, and Controller Specifics The 68HC16 is interesting as it is upwardly code compatible with the MC68HC11 series and is Motorola's high speed 16 bit control unit. Features: - 16 Bit Architecture - Digital Signal Processing Capability - 8 Channel 10-Bit Analog to Digital Converter - Two Megabyte Address Space - Watchdog Timer, Clock Monitor, and Bus Monitor - Two 16 Bit Counters with Seven Stage Prescaler - Three Input Capture Channels - Standby Ram, 1024 Byte Static Ram Motorola is clever, allowing engineers to learn DSP by a self-study low cost evaluation and tutorial package. Hopefully, the trained person will be in a position to specify an understood chip. I was looking for a self-study package to learn DSP (having hardware, software, and building a workable frequency analyzer) and this system accomplishes this. The DSP functions is not as powerful as the 56000 dedicated DSP chip, but the completeness (10 A/D converter, timer, etc.) solves many midrange DSP functions with a minimum of external components. A multiply and accumulate unit provides the capability to multiply signed 16 bit numbers and store the 32 bit result in a 36 bit accumulator. I think this system would be an excellent foundation for a graduate DSP course. Since Motorola is building and selling the evaluation board, a Motorola dealer must be contacted (the $168.16 offer ends March 20th, 1992). My Motorola distributor is willing to sell the systems to the net readers for $168.16 and will ship for $10.00. Don't forget if you complete the frequency analyzer tutorial, a $68.16 rebate will be received if the paperwork is completed. My Motorola Distributor - Future Electronics, 3150 West Higgins Rd, Suite 160, Hoffman Estates, IL, 60195, Phone (708) 882-1255 Sue or Vince Vitucci Note: I am NOT affiliated in any way with Future Electronics, just passing on a new introductory DSP system to my net friends. Joseph E. Jesson Address1: mhs!amoco!joseph_e_jesson@attmail.com 21414 W. Honey Lane Address2: jessonj@cerf.net Lake Villa, IL, 60046 Address3: jej@chinet.chi.il.us Telephone: (day) 312-856-3645 (eve) 708-356-6817 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 22:35:00 CST From: Jack.Winslade@ivgate.omahug.org (Jack Winslade) Subject: Thoughts on BBS Rates Reply-To: jsw@drbbs.omahug.org Organization: DRBBS Technical BBS, Omaha While chatting (voice, of course -- telephones were made for chatting, terminals were not ;-) the other day on the subject of BBS rates with a friend who happens to work for TPC I became aware of a couple of situations here in Omaha. One was a 25 line Major BBS system that openly solicits for donations. Yes, all 25 of them are residence lines. Another was a multiline system (I forget the number of lines, but 12 strikes me as being accurate) who recently regraded from business to residence. Apparently Ma Bell didn't even bat an eyelash, but simply processed the order. Something is rotten in the state of Nebraska. Just 50-some miles away in LT&T land, a couple of BBS operators were threatened with business rates, but here in Omaha, TPC is apparently letting openly-commercial BBS operators regrade to residence service simply by asking for it. Call me paranoid if you want, but I surely hope TPC does not make examples of these two (and probably others) systems stating how the BBS operators are unfairly using residence service to make a profit -- and therefore using the examples as leverage to force all BBS systems to regrade to business. Comments, anyone ?? Good day JSW [Moderator's Note: Do you know for a fact these two systems are running on residence lines, or is this just something passed on to you by someone other than the sysops in question? It is hard to believe they would be that blatant about it and get away with it. I am not discussing the rightness or wrongness here, just what people can get away with where telco is concerned. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 10:44:22 EST From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) Subject: 1+ Also Removed From a Portion of 717 I have learned that Enterprise Telephone Company in New Holland, Pa. has cut over to the instructions published for the 215 area (7D for long distance within own area code, with within-area 0+ changing from 0 + 7D to 0 + NPA + 7D). But there's a twist: like the previously- mentioned Denver & Ephrata, this company serves parts of 215 and 717; BUT it has cut over its instructions for the 717 portion as well as 215. This affects: 215-445 Terre Hill 717-354,355 New Holland 717-656,661 Leola 717-768 Intercourse ------------------------------ From: grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray) Subject: The Intelligent Network and Service Creation Environment Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 12:12:20 -0500 Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada. > [Moderator's Note: I'm sure you believed them. If you don't think the > telcos are all to one another in their planning of new > features, services and tariffs, try to find an example of it. Yes, in > small very minor matters they go their own way, and the features they > offer are known by different names in different places, but they all > seem to come about at the same time. PAT] The telcos may wish to plan their services but these services are actually implemented by the switch vendors. The telco's submit their list of requirments to the vendors which then put them on a priority list for inclusion in forthcoming software and hardware gnerics. All telco's will receive the generics at about the same time and then can offer the same services at about the same time. Now the telco's have been pushing the concept of the Intelligent Network and Service Creation Environment for some time. With these implemented the network will provide a directoruy of basic services. The telco's will be able to program their equipment to use these basic services in any number of ways. They will be able to provide customized services down to the individual customer level. The reason for similar services from all telcos is the long lead time required for the major switch vendors to provide new software releases. The Intelligent Network will allow an individual telco to define and implement new services. A teloc provided Service Creation Environment will allow the single customer to define his own service. ------------------------------ Subject: Voice-Mail Software From: bhendrix@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Brian Hendrix) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 14:12:56 MST Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems, Edmonton, AB, Canada pps@pavnet.nshore.ncoast.org (Philip E. Pavarini) wanted to find out if there were any software tools for his Watson board: ITI Logiciel 1705 St. Joseph E Suite 4 Montreal, PQ H2J 1N1 +1 514 861 5988 They sell a set of 'C' and Pascall tools that allow you to write custom software for the Watson board (they also have a DIALOGIC version). I had them fax me some information once and the tools looked good, but I didn't order the kit. The price is $99 US, as of a few months ago. I'd be interested to hear about the quality of the product if anyone were to buy it. Brian Hendrix bhendrix@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1992 22:34:04 PST From: AUGUST@JPLLSI.JPL.NASA.GOV (Richard B. August) Subject: Seeking Reverse Telephone Book I'm certain such a thing exists ... but where? To add to the problem I'm interested in one that is electronic and accessable via modem. Anyone know of such a beast? Thanks in advance. Regards, Richard B. August [Moderator's Note: Certainly. Try Compuserve, where the national reverse directory (what there is of it, non-pubs are excluded as are a lot of business numbers) is accessed with GO PHONEFILE. You can also use this file to search alphbetically all over the USA. There is a small surcharge in addition to normal Compuserve rates. PAT] ------------------------------ From: splee@cat.syr.edu (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) Subject: Looking For OKI 900 Cellular Phone Programming Guide Date: Sun, 23 Feb 92 15:44:54 EST I was sure this appeared in the Digest, but I looked in the archives and couldn't find it. So, if anyone has the programming guide for the OKI 900 Cellular phone, please drop me a line. Thanks. Seng-Poh Lee ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #168 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa25431; 25 Feb 92 2:33 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA05771 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Tue, 25 Feb 1992 00:18:54 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA00310 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Tue, 25 Feb 1992 00:18:38 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 00:18:38 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202250618.AA00310@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #169 TELECOM Digest Tue, 25 Feb 92 00:18:35 CST Volume 12 : Issue 169 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: 800 vs. 10xxx Codes (Alan L. Varney) Re: Phone Service to Cuba (Jack Decker) Re: Hookup Charges - Are They Ripping us Off? (Andrew M. Dunn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 10:55:01 CST From: varney@ihlpf.att.com (Alan L. Varney) Subject: Re: 800 vs. 10xxx Codes Organization: AT&T Network Systems In article pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard KA9WGN / I am the NRA) writes: > gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt) writes: [When dialing "10XXX+1+800-nxx-xxxx"] >> I get an intercept recording "We're sorry, it is not necessary to dial >> a long distance access code for this number". (It really means "it is >> necessary to NOT dial a long distance access code"). I don't have a >> chance to enter the last four digits. If it matters, I don't have a >> default long distance carrier. Calls were made from 817-249 (Fort >> Worth). >> [Moderator's Note: Let me rephrase my original statement. The LEC will >> not route 1-800 calls according to your instructions. It will either >> ignore the 10xxx dialing and proceed with the call, or as you found >> out, it will object to 10xxx and dump the call completely. On 800 >> calls, the recipient detirmines what carrier is to be used to place >> the call. You can't override it. PAT] > I don't have a default LD carrier either. Even if I know the 800 > number is using AT&T, for instance, adding 10288 to the front dumps me > to the recording (which as you pointed out is stating the facts > incorrectly). Just dialing the number as it, without the LD access > code, puts the call through just fine, as it does with long distance > calls handled by the local carrier instead of an LD carrier. This handling of "10XXX+1+800" is suggested by Bellcore. The current method for handling 1-800 IC calls uses SAC (Service Access Code) routing, part of the original IC requirements. (See Bellcore's TR-TSY-000530, FSD 20-24-0000, Issue 2, July,1987, part of the LSSGR, "IC/INC Interconnection") A SAC is a number of the form N0X-NXX-xxxx or N1X-NXX-xxxx that has been "designated" as a SAC. I believe the only "designated" SACs are N00 codes. SACs are required to be routed to an IC (or LEC) based on the NXX code. This implies a particular IC (or the LEC) gets all the calls to a particular 800-NXX code. The TR states: "If a 10XXX prefix is dialed, an announcement should be returned. (See Section 3.3.2.4C)" Since Section 3.3.2.4 doesn't exist, one must guess that Bellcore meant Section 3.3.2C, which specifies an single announcement when: "Customer dials an intraLATA call with a 10XXX prefix of a carrier that has elected not to handle intra LATA calls, or customer dials a SAC call with a 10XXX prefix, or ... [3 other cases of dialing 10XXX where prohibited]" Section 3.7.2 provides announcement guidelines {Bellcore specifies REQUIREMENTS for vendors, but GUIDELINES for its clients}. This references Table D for further information. Since Table D doesn't exist, one must assume they mean Table 4, which only indicates that the appropriate SIT (the three tones at the beginning of the announcement) should be for the "Announcement-Vacant Code-Customer Error" category. Section 3.7.2 says to see "Notes on the Network" {an AT&T publication}, but I'm sure they mean TR-NPL-000275, "Notes on the BOC Intra-LATA Networks - 1986", dated April, 1986. In this TR, Section 6, Table AU says 10XXX-SAC should receive the announcement: "We're sorry, it is not necessary to dial a long distance company access code for the number you have dialed. Please hand up and try your call again." So your CO seems to be working as designed. But note that 1-700 calls probably are allowed to dial 10XXX, in violation of the TR "guidelines". As to the suggestion that 10XXX + 1 + 800 should be allowed IF the XXX matches the carrier providing the 800 service, it's unlikely to happen. The FCC in Docket 86-10, allows selection of an 800 carrier on a ten-digit basis. This is covered in Bellcore TR-TSY-000024, Issue 1, Revision 1, January, 1986, "Service Switching: "[800-type services] calls dialed with a "10XXX" prefix should be blocked or completed based on the three-digit code received." [Blocking of "0+" prefix is also a TelCo option.] Unfortunately, the option to "complete" the call cannot currently be used in any reasonable manner because there is no mechanism to reliably signal the dialed XXX to the SSP, the Service Switching Point with the ability to query the ten-digit 800 database. So there cannot be a check of the dialed XXX against the database-selected carrier. {The SSP selects the carrier, but doesn't know the dialed XXX.} Without a new signaling mechanism (and some new requirements), the dialed 10XXX can either be ignored (the "completed" option) or blocked (with an unspecified treatment). I cannot believe anyone would want to allow 10XXX as an ignored prefix on 800 calls; imagine the arguments: "... Telco failed to follow my explicit instructions and arbitrarily routed the call to another carrier." Al Varney -- AT&T Network Systems -- but AT&T is not responsible for the above in any way. [Moderator's Note: I can tell you that unless it is merely a programming error in my local CO, calls from IBT to 800 numbers simply are completed based on the 800 - XXX rather than the 10-XXX number. Maybe other COs reject the call; mine seems to simply complete the call ignoring the 10XXX. And I don't really think your hypothetical argument holds any weight simply because the person paying for the call *always* is the one who gets to choose the carrier. I can tell you that if *my* 800 bill came with charges from some carrier other than Telecom*USA I would be the one complaining. The caller has no right to any choice in the matter. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 16:45:57 CST From: Jack Decker Subject: Re: Phone Service to Cuba In message , tnixon@hayes.com (Toby Nixon) writes: > International telecommunications treaties tightly regulate the routing > of international calls through third countries. One thing few > Americans realize is that our Constitution makes treaties "the supreme > law of the land", once they are ratified by the Senate, with the same > level of effect as the rest of the Constitution. Thus, I would not at > all be surprised to find that one or more federal agencies would get > involved in shutting down a service which "illegally" routed telephone > calls in violation of "international law". It would be interesting to know if the fact that the person were doing this as a business had anything to do with it. Personally, I'd want to see more details on the case. Living along the Canadian border as I do, and knowing how much the Canadian government resents too much interference in its affairs by its neighbor to the south, I really find it difficult to believe that the Canadian government would help prosecute a Canadian citizen solely for completing a call to Cuba, UNLESS there was some profit motive involved. In that case they might consider it a violation of some telecommunications law (in effect, the business in question probably wasn't a licensed reseller of communication services). Without more detail, I'm afraid this falls into the category of "urban legend." Here would be a more interesting question. Suppose a private citizen (that resides in Florida, let's say) get a phone line somewhere in Canada served by an exchange with call forwarding (never mind HOW he gets the phone service; let's assume that is legal ... maybe he owns a hunting cabin in Canada and has a phone installed there, or maybe he contracts with an answering service to allow a line to be brought in there). Then he programs his phone in Canada to call forward calls to a particular number in Cuba (a close relative, perhaps). Obviously, there's nothing illegal about the call forwarding to Cuba, the telephone subscriber may want his relative to answer the phone for him when he's away. Nor is there anything illegal about dialing the number in Canada from a U.S. phone. Nor, in this case, would anyone be engaging in telephone service for profit in violation of a communications act. Now technically, it would be a violation of U.S. law (or would it?) but first they'd have to catch the subscriber making such a call (that originated in the U.S. and was call forwarded to Cuba), and would probably have to prove that he intended to violate U.S. treaties by doing this, and even then, I imagine that if the line were not being used for some illegal purpose, the U.S. authorities might tend to look the other way, since it would probably be a tough sell to a jury to get a conviction (would YOU send someone to jail for setting up a way to talk to his 75 year old parents every week? I sure wouldn't! And let's face it, if everyone were sent to jail for every technical violation of the law that occurs, they could just put a set of bars around the United States and let it go at that!). But if it could be proved that such a setup were used for making drug connections, interfering with the operation of the government (ours or theirs), or something else of that nature, that's a pony of another color. Of course, my guess is that Castro can't last much longer anyway, given that most of his Communist friends are no longer Communist, and that residents of the island are doubtless painfully aware of the difference in living conditions between Cuba and Florida. Personally, I'd think that allowing improved communications between the U.S. and Cuba would only tend to increase the desire of the people to get rid of the Communist government, but maybe our government knows something about that that we don't. I would sure hope that there's some reason for continuing that policy other than just "inertia". > Not to get too far of the subject, but that provision of the > Constitution making treaties "supreme law" is one of the reason so > many folks are opposed to US membership in the UN, and to such > "treaties" as the UN Declaration of Human Rights (which gives > governments many powers which our own Bill of Rights denies to the > government). I agree, in my opinion the U.N. has been milking U.S. taxpayers for years while at the same time they promote a very anti-U.S. agenda. Why should we help pay the bills for an organization that wants to destroy our way of life? You see things like this, and then hear the president talk about the "New World Order" and it is rather chilling, but as this is getting off topic already I'll spare you any comparisions to the Biblical book of Revelation or similar prophetic writings. Jack Decker jack@myamiga.mixcom.com FidoNet 1:154/8 [Moderator's Note: You are probably correct that the telephone call in and of itself would not be prosecutable. The entire context would have to be considered. And even call-forwarding would not have to be used. What about a business in Niagara Falls, NY with a branch office in Niagara Falls, Ontario and a 'foreign exchange' line (in this case it really would be 'foreign'!) on the New York side? Or Detroit/Windsor? Or Sault St. Marie? And what about Texas ==> Mexico ==> Cuba? PAT] ------------------------------ From: amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn) Subject: Re: Hookup Charges - Are They Ripping us Off? Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Canada Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 14:06:28 GMT In article jbradsha@mentor.cc.purdue. edu (Jonathan Bradshaw) writes: > I am personally interested in knowing whether the phone company is > ripping consumers off for these so-called "hookup charges". Yes, but not nearly as badly as you think. Read on. > In today's world of computerized switching I fail to see how a > company like GTE can charge you $57 for what I consider is basically > punching some numbers into a computer. If I move into an apartment > that has had phone service before, what POSSIBLE extra work that is > worth $57 are they doing? No cables to run, no wires to connect, just > activation of the circuit which is probably completely computerized. But if you moved into an apartment which had _not_ had phone service before, you'd need (assuming techie time costs $40 per hour): 10 minutesd BusOff time to assign numbers, locate and identify pairs and route = $ 6.67 150' of two-pair drop cable @ .22/foot = $ 33.00 2 (or 3) modular wall-mount jacks @ $4 ea = $ 8.00 20 min. tech time to connect drop at PDB = $ 13.33 50 min. tech time to run drop cable = $ 33.33 10 min. tech time to test the line = $ 6.67 10 min. CO time to "punch numbers" = $ 6.67 Now, that's a total of $101.67, and assuming a 30% markup (the telco _is_ in business to make money, after all) you would probably be billed $132 for the connection. Also, assume that in one out of every twenty cases (hypothetical, but probably not far off) there's a problem in a pair somewhere, and it takes an extra two hours of somebody's techie time. That will cost an additional $4 per connection. Also, assume that in one out of every fifty cases, new outside plant has to be run from the street to the building. Then we can add another 150' of armoured two-pair-shielded outside drop cable, two hours trenching time, one hour cable running, and one hour fill time (two people involved for four hours). This adds $386 to the bill. Divided into the fifty cases, that adds $7.72 to the per-site hookup fee. In total, then, we have $101.67 + 4.00 + 7.72 = $112.87, with markup becomes $147. You contend that it should only cost (6.67 BusOff + 6.67 CO + 30%) or $17.34 for the connection fee. Plus the $4 per connection for faults. We now have the following schedule of rates and probabilities of service connections: Ease of Connection Per Thousand Fee Fee per Thousand Simple - "push buttons" 930 17.34 16,126.20 Run inside drop 50 105.67 5,283.50 Run outside drop 20 491.67 9,833.40 --------- 31,243.10 Now, since everybody is billed equally (who wants to be hit with the $491 fee just 'cuz they need some outside wiring) we divide that total by the 1000 subscribers connected, and we get $31.24 each. Mark up by 30%, again, and we have $41. So based on these assumptions, it should cost $41 or so for a connect fee. Well, mark the other $16 up to greed. :-) > Even better, it's the same charge whether I am adding a new line or > simply transferring my current phone. In the later case, they aren't > even ADDING me to the database, just changing the physical location > address within the database. True. But transferring a phone involves a connection as above and, assuming weighted charging as above, should be billed the connection fee. > Am I missing something here? It all seems like another phone company > scam. Right along with the "deposit" fee new phone customers are > charged. The deposit isn't a scam either. It's the telco equivalent of COD. Consider the case where you want to buy something from me (in my case, computers ... that's what I sell). You walk into my store and say "I'd like model 8633 over there". I say "OK, who are you?" You tell me your name and address, and walk off with the computer. NOT!!!! I'm certainly not going to let you, who I don't know from Joe Schmoe, walk off without paying. But you want the telco to give you an account, give you 30-day credit terms, and let you use a service where you could run up thousands of dollars per week in bills that they can't even be sure you'll pay? That's what deposits are for. Andy Dunn (amdunn@mongrel.uucp) ({uunet...}!xenitec!mongrel!amdunn ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #169 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa28011; 25 Feb 92 3:35 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA12052 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Tue, 25 Feb 1992 01:30:11 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA06162 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Tue, 25 Feb 1992 01:29:57 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 01:29:57 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202250729.AA06162@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #170 TELECOM Digest Tue, 25 Feb 92 01:29:57 CST Volume 12 : Issue 170 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: E911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) (Jacob DeGlopper) Re: E911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) (Tim Gorman) Re: Emergency Calls at Pay Phones (Kath Mullholand) Re: 313 Split on the Way (Daniel Herrick) Re: Nynex Starts Electronic Yellow Pages (Ralph W. Hyre) Re: Ameritech Voicemail (Ralph W. Hyre) Re: Differences in State Telecom Regulations (John R. Covert) Re: 800 Number Published In Cartoon (Michael Bender) Re: 800 Number Published in Cartoon (Kath Mullholand) Re: MOH, Bad Manners, Poor Throughput, and Sprint (Ron Bean) Re: GOSIP: Government Open Systems Information Profile (Nelson Bolyard) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 92 00:26:11 -0500 From: jrd5@po.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper) Subject: Re: E911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) > Why is it that the E911 system cannot use the callers number as an > index to determine which agency to route the call to? > [Moderator's Note: I don't know why IBT can't do it. I have heard of > other places where calls to 911 can be sorted down to the last four > digits using a data base. In fact we've had articles here about it, > although the implication was the data base was not very accurate much > of the time, leading to delays in firemen arriving, etc. PAT] We're one of the places that can do it. The E911 system in Montgomery County resolves down to a fire box area or a police beat, which is a fairly small area, and more importantly not at all connected with exchange boundaries. We don't really have the problem of seperate municipalities, as fire/rescue is countywide. Police is mostly county police, but the two municipal police forces are dispatched through the county. The data base isn't perfect, but it's fairly good. There's an additional Computer-Aided Dispatch system hooked into the E911, which adds information about the residence, such as dangerous residents, repeat callers, known hazards, and so forth. The first line of a CAD session log is almost always something like the following: 23:24 E911 ON 5551212 1234 Main Street From what I remember of the system before the CAD, the 5-inch E911 screen would display calling number, address, registered owner, class of phone service -- RESD, BUSN, or PAY, and the fire box area and police beat, implying that those areas were coming from E911 and not the new CAD system. _/acob DeGlopper, EMT-A, Wheaton Volunteer Rescue Squad -- jrd5@po.cwru.edu ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 92 17:18:58 EST From: tim gorman <71336.1270@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: 911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard KA9WGN / I am the NRA) writes in TELECOM Digest V12 #167: > Why is it that the E911 system cannot use the callers number as an > index to determine which agency to route the call to? The Moderator notes: > [Moderator's Note: I don't know why IBT can't do it. I have heard of > other places where calls to 911 can be sorted down to the last four > digits using a data base. In fact we've had articles here about it, > although the implication was the data base was not very accurate much > of the time, leading to delays in firemen arriving, etc. PAT] The software feature to provide this ability using ESN's (Emergency Switch Numbers, I think) is expensive. Switches are normally designed to route on called number not calling number. Special software is needed for this. Even worse is the administrative cost to keep the routing data base updated. Telephone company systems are established to identify the wire center associated with an address, not an emergency agency. Telephone numbers are assigned by wire center not emergency agency so they cannot be used to differentiate. Thus, in order to add a new line someone has to spend time working with the governmental agencies to establish where calls should be routed. Then someone has to put this in the switch which I am not sure our mechanized systems can handle, so you get more administrative costs. Bottom line, most emergency agencies don't want to pay the rates for this capability. Because of political concerns, they also don't do a good job of coordinating among political entities. With the PSAP equipment available today, it really should be easy to install a remote printer at the other PSAP to print the call details out on, and a ringdown voice circuit to bridge the two agencies resulting in delays of only seconds. Tim Gorman - SWBT *opinions are mine, any resemblance to official policy is coincidence* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 9:28:10 -0500 (EST) From: K_MULLHOLAND@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Kath Mullholand, UNH Telecom, 862-1031) Subject: Re: Emergency Calls at Pay Phones acg@hermes.dlogics.com writes: > To this day, I have no idea why they were asking all those questions. > Perhaps they figured that if they lost the call, they'd have some > clues to pass on to the emergency services. Here in New Hampshire we had a particularly chilling example of why the operator needs 1) adequate ANI, and 2) lots of information from the caller. TPC operators answer calls from Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont. One day an operator gets an emergency call for "The Durham Fire Department", no ANI, and put it through to Durham, NH emergency services. The dispatcher was having a terrible time -- the woman, who was reporting a house fire, although quite distraught, was able to give him her address and some directions to her home, but the address and directions made no sense. He was trying to dispatch fire services, but did not recognize the street name she was giving him, or any of the landmarks she mentioned. Finally, after two or three incredibly tense and precious minutes, the woman said she was in Durham, MAINE. The operator, who had been monitoring the call, immediately cut in and sent the caller to the proper agency. Fortunately, no lives were lost as a result of the error. The local dispatch center has kept a tape of this call which they play whenever talk of E-911 comes up. Obviously, better emergency call routing capability would have avoided this particular glitch. Kath Mullholand, University of New Hampshire, Durham, NH ------------------------------ From: HERRICK, DANIEL Subject: Re: 313 Split on the Way Date: 24 Feb 92 11:32:57 EST In article , rees@dabo.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees) writes: > Michigan Bell has announced plans to split the 313 area code in early > The proposed split roughly follows Eight Mile Road, with Detroit, > western suburbs, and Washtenaw county in 313, and northern suburbs in > the new area code. I never thought of Flint, Port Huron, and the eastern half of the thumb as "suburbs of Detroit". Are they really planning to change my first area code? dan dlh@NCoast.org dlh Performance Marketing POBox 1419 Mentor Ohio 44061 ------------------------------ From: rwh@cinoss1.ATT.COM (Ralph W. Hyre) Subject: Re: Nynex Starts Electronic Yellow Pages Date: 24 Feb 92 18:53:50 GMT Reply-To: rwh@cinoss1.ATT.COM (Ralph W. Hyre) Organization: AT&T OSS Development, Cincinnati In article Bob_Frankston@frankston.std. com writes: X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 162, Message 6 of 11 > Seeing the mention of the Apple II in Adam's article does bound the > level of service. Not necessarily. America Online (and AppleLink) define a protocol between the host system and clients. You can do as flashy a user interface as your client machine (Apple II, IBM PC, or Mac.) allow. > It will be interesting to see if the provide an "over the wire" protocol > or just a canned program. Agreed. When I called, I was told that the functionality isn't different. I suspect we'll just be getting a dumb terminal emulator with a character user interface. I'd be real suprised to see NAPLPS or anything graphical. Ralph W. Hyre, Jr. E-mail: rhyre@cinoss1.att.com Phone: +1 513 629 7288 Radio: N3FGW ------------------------------ From: rwh@cinoss1.ATT.COM (Ralph W. Hyre) Subject: Re: Ameritech Voicemail Date: 24 Feb 92 19:08:03 GMT Reply-To: rwh@cinoss1.ATT.COM (Ralph W. Hyre) Organization: AT&T OSS Development, Cincinnati In article 0005000102@mcimail.com (Randall C Gellens) writes: X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 156, Message 8 of 11 > In TELECOM Digest Volume 12 : Issue 108, the Moderator (Patrick A. > Townson) discusses Ameritech Voice Mail Commands and Security Flaws: >> [Ameritech Voice Mail uses 7 to save messages] > [Aspen voice mail product (from Octel ... uses 7 to delete a message > Wonderful. AUDIX (AT&T's product) uses the mnemonic '*D' to delete -- > hard to do by accident. I believe this is even consistent with other > AT&T voice messaging services, such as the AT&T Mail Mailtalk feature > (your electronic mail is read with a DECtalk-sounding speech synthesizer). Is anyone working on command standardization? As long as we have to use deficient interfaces designed around the constraints of the touchtone keypad they should at least be interoperable from vendor to vendor. '*H' for help would be a good start. Ralph W. Hyre, Jr. E-mail: rhyre@cinoss1.att.com Phone: +1 513 629 7288 Radio: N3FGW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 07:42:51 PST From: John R. Covert 24-Feb-1992 1040 Subject: Re: Differences in State Telecom Regulations Your list showed "Y" for Caller ID in Massachusetts. Caller ID is not available anywhere in Massachusetts. The Massachusetts Department of Public Utilities, after holding public hearings, ordered New England Telephone to provide per-line blocking. As a result, N.E.T. chose to withdraw its plans to offer Caller ID. Call Trace is provided on all lines, free of charge (but with a charge per-use) as a method to combat harassing calls. /john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 16:20:19 PST From: Michael.Bender@Eng.Sun.COM Subject: Re: 800 Number Published In Cartoon > I'm surprised not to see a humor message about someone who has called > the 800 number published in the Doonsbury cartoon over the last two or > three days. Surely someone in this group has called it and can save a > lot of calls by telling us what it homes to? Why doesn't Jerry Brown just have AT&T reverse-bill the 800 call as a 900 call? That should help his campaign fund! mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 9:44:48 -0500 (EST) From: K_MULLHOLAND@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Kath Mullholand) Subject: Re: 800 Number Published In Cartoon mvac23!thomas@udel.edu writes: > I'm surprised not to see a humor message about someone who has called > the 800 number published in the Doonsbury cartoon over the last two or > three days. Surely someone in this group has called it and can save a > lot of calls by telling us what it homes to? For those of you not *fortunate* enough to live in New Hampshire and enjoy the overkill of Presidential campaigning that occurs every fourth January and February here ... 1-800-426-1112 is the 800- number for the presidential campaign of Jerry Brown, who is leading a *crusade* of grass roots to take back Washington from the evil crab-grass. If you call it you will be asked to pledge a donation, and to assist in his campaign. BTW, it is interesting to note that Jerry garnered his "governor moonbeam" epithet because he wanted to set up a microwave system taht would allow California state offices to communicate with each other quicker and more cheaply, bypassing TPC and offering high- speed data. No wonder they think he's nuts. Who would ever want government officials to be able to communicate efficiently? kath. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: MOH, Bad Manners, Poor Throughput, and Sprint Date: Sun Feb 23 18:17:28 1992 From: astroatc!vidiot!madnix!zaphod@spool.cs.wisc.edu (Ron Bean) hhallika@nike.calpoly.edu (Harold Hallikainen) writes: > I also hate to pay long distance rates to listen to some radio > station on the other coast while on hold. We have previously > discussed locally generated busy signals (as opposed to ringback, > which is generated at the far end). How about some long distance > carrier offerring locally generated music on hold? When someone puts > me on hold (if the distant CO knows they did, which they would with > call waiting), drop the voice circuit (and stop charging me!). When > the person gets back to my call, the voice circuit would be > reestablished (realizing these things take time). I guess the closest > thing we have now is voice mail on busy. This would be useful in another way: Occasionally someone puts me on hold to go look something up, and then something comes up on my end and I'd like to put them on hold before they get back, especially if I think they'll be gone for a while. But if I do that, they might assume we've been cut off, especially if there's no MOH. It would be nice to have some kind of indicator that says "You're on hold", or maybe have the phone ring again when the person comes back. Since being "on hold" is purely a local phenomenon, it would have to use some kind of audible signal -- perhaps this is a use for the [ABCD] tones. And both ends would have to have the feature (not likely). Of course I can always call back, but I'm thinking of cases where one phone number gets you the "first available" Customer Service rep. Speaking of MOH: I called one of our suppliers last week and discovered that their MOH was identical to our MUZAK. It was pretty wierd to listen to it over the phone AND in the office. Another supplier used to have theirs connected to a radio which had drifted off the station, and just played static until someone finally fixed it months later. And our own warehouse, which (so far as I know) is only called by other people within the company, actually plays advertising in it's MOH. I think this is because the same tape is used at all locations, but I'm not sure. zaphod@madnix.UUCP (Ron Bean) {harvard|rutgers|ucbvax}!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!zaphod ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 17:07:12 -0800 From: nelson@bolyard.wpd.sgi.com (Nelson Bolyard) Subject: Re: GOSIP: Government Open Systems Information Profile Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA In article Bruce Clement writes: > I understand that there are minor differences between the UK GOSIP and > the real thing (which was sorted out between the Australian & NZ > Governments). There are also other variants of GOSIP used by various > foreign governments. > The specs on the real thing should be available from either the > Australian or NZ Government print shops. One in every major city. What's all this talk about "the real thing" as if there was one true GOSIP?? A GOSIP is a government's OSI Profile. There is not ONE GOSIP that applies to all goverments. Each government has its own OSI Profile, and is obliged to publish it. Given that the OSI family of standards has numerous options from which to pick at each layer (e.g. Transport Protocols 0 through 5), any government (and indeed, any major body of OSI users, national or international) needs to pick the option or options at each level that it is going to use, and say "Here in our country (or company) we do OSI this way". That is, each government/ company publishes its selection from among the standards, which is to say, its profile. In many countries (especially in Europe) there will never be any OSI WANs except those administered by the government (e.g. the PTT). It was this type of thinking (all networks are government networks) that lead to such profiles being called Government OSI Profiles. Perhaps a better name would be to call them Network Service Providers' OSI Profiles, but NSPOSIP doesn't sound as nice as GOSIP. There are MAJOR differences between the USA GOSIP and the UK GOSIP. In particular, USA GOSIP uses heavyweight COTP (Connection-Oriented Transport Protocol, e.g. TP-4) on top of CLNS (ConnectionLess Network Service), which is analgous to the way in which TCP runs on top of IP. By contrast, UK GOSIP (and others) use lightweight COTP (e.g. TP0) over CONS (e.g. X.25), even when running over LANs like Ethernet (!). Nelson Bolyard MTS Advanced OS Lab Silicon Graphics, Inc. nelson@sgi.COM {decwrl,sun}!sgi!whizzer!nelson 415-335-1919 Disclaimer: Views expressed herein do not represent the views of my employer. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #170 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa12530; 25 Feb 92 23:49 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA00318 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Tue, 25 Feb 1992 21:13:32 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA14425 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Tue, 25 Feb 1992 21:13:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 21:13:19 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202260313.AA14425@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #171 TELECOM Digest Tue, 25 Feb 92 21:13:08 CST Volume 12 : Issue 171 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Chicago Traffic Monitoring (Alan L. Varney) Bellcore/CMU Forum (Judith Irven, Bellcore via Robin Grayson) How Are Concentrators Used in Networks? (Minze V. Chien) Is That Line In Use? (Bob Perigo) Telix 3.15 FTP Site Wanted (KKL100@psuvm.psu.edu) Texas Politics and the Phone (Mark Earle) Legal History of MOH (Ron Bean) What Areas Still Have X-Bar and SxS? (whknight@sdf.LoneStar.ORG) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 23:57:28 CST From: varney@ihlpf.att.com (Alan L Varney) Subject: Chicago Traffic Monitoring Organization: AT&T Network Systems I'll try to keep it short, interesting and telephony-related ... two errors in the previous article; it's the Traffic System Center (TSC), not the TCC, and they use PDP 11/53s -- not PDP 11/70s. This information is from a paper presented to the Regional Conference on Traffic Management and Planning for Freeway Emergencies and Special Events, Nov. 1991, Toronto, Ontario, Canada and from the July/Aug. 1991 issue of "Home and Away" (Ill.-Ind. version), published by AAA-Chicago Motor Club. Chicago motorists frequently hear reports such as: "On the inbound Edens, it's 50 minutes from Lake-Cook, 25 from Dempster. On the Kennedy, it's 55 minutes from O'Hare , 22 from the junction, and 15 in the express lanes ..." Data for such reports come from a network of about 2000 sensors under the 130 miles of Chicago-land Expressways (but not Tollways), collected and processed at the Traffic Systems Center in Oak Park, IL. The TSC supplies information to various radio/TV stations, etc. where it is made available to hundreds of thousands listeners each day. The Illinois Department of Transportation (IDOT) operates TSC as part of a program begun in 1961. Computerization of traffic information in the early 1970s was a cooperative effort of TSC, the AAA-Chicago Motor Club and WBBM NewsRadio (AM 780, a CBS affiliate). Reporting on WBBM is sometimes from Chicago Motor Club staff at the Sear Tower's 103rd floor "skydeck", which connects to TSC via two terminals plus other displays. WGN Radio (AM 720) has a graphical display at the Tribune tower "showcase" driven directly by TSC's main computer. Is giving the travel times more effective than just indicating "congestion" on various Expressways? A survey at the 1990 Auto Show suggests that up to 85% of those questioned had changed their travel plans or routes because of this data. Raw data for the reports comes from sensors buried in each lane at about 2000 foot intervals. The sensors consist of loops of wire under the pavement, usually three turns in a three-foot square. Vehicles passing over will cause changes in the loop inductance. The presence of a vehicle is reported by sending a tone at a frequency assigned to the individual sensor over leased telephone lines or IDOT cables. (I think 23 frequencies can be "stacked" on a single line/cable pair.) These lines are monitored at TSC by individual units tuned to a particular frequency for each sensor. Each "line" is apparently connected to multiple units. This technology is basically unchanged since the early 1970s, and reminds me of early T1/DS1 plug-in units and frames. Four PDP 11/53s each sample about 25% of the units, collecting samples up to 60(?) times/second/sensor. This data (vehicle present/absent) is reported to a VAX 6210 over Ethernet(?). The VAX is mid-sized (32 MB memory, two RA82 622 MB disks), connected to six DECservers. These provide the processed reports to terminals, graphical displays, etc. It appears that data is smoothed over 30 second periods, and most reports are at five minute intervals. Interactive terminals can request "raw data" -- the current data for ten or so points updated at five second intervals. The more processed reports give travel times every five minutes, derived from lane occupancy sensor data. I'm not a Transportation Engineer, but they seem to use "%-occupancy" as well as estimates of vehicle speed to determine the travel time. One of the interesting charts shown on our tour was %-occupancy vs. "throughput" of an expressway. At less than 20% occupancy, adding more cars increases throughput and has no effect on speed. From about 20 to 35%, adding cars increases throughput but slowly decreases speed. Beyond 35%, adding cars decreased both speed and throughput -- near 100%, the traffic is stalled and speed/throughput approach zero. TSC provides the reports (at no cost for the data, just the cost of the connections) directly to several IDOT locations, four State Police Districts, the O'Hare Parking Center, METRA (Commuter Rail) and PACE (Suburban Bus) headquarters, and about 15 radio/TV stations. And the "Shadow Traffic" and "Metro Traffic" services provide these reports to 50+ other media outlets. IDOT operates TSC as part of a three-part freeway traffic management program. The other parts are: (1) the Emergency Traffic Patrol trucks (called "Minutemen") have operated since 1961 to render quick assistance for traffic incidents. These 35 trucks provide emergency gas (two gallons/$5 billed later), water, air, tools and off-freeway towing. All but the gas is free. The trucks actively patrol the freeways, to spot hazards and minimize response time. In 1990, over 100,000 assists were provided, mostly for disabled vehicles. Main location is at 3501 S. Normal Avenue, Chicago. (2) the Commuications Center (IDOT District 1 headquarters at 201 W. Center Court, Shaumburg, IL, 23 miles from TSC. This center handles all radio dispatching, hot lines, traffic/maintenance coordination, incident management, interface with police, etc. They receive all citizen reports of traffic problems, including 10,500+ calls each month via Cellular *999 calls. They also run the 10 low-power AM radio broadcast stations (at many major interchanges on AM 1610), with digitized voice driven directly from the TSC reports. Versions of this are also available on Cellular *123, "menu #6 (?)", then select the proper expressway. 312-245-1132 provides same information, tone phone needed. 708-705-4618 provides travel advisories and congestion information. 312-DOT-INFO (via menu #6) provides access to the (708-705-4618) information, and other menu items provide access to other IDOT services. Experimental delivery mechanisms under test include alpha-numeric "pager" delivery and a cable TV graphical display with audio times. TSC has several other responsibilities. They were first with ramp "metering" signals; there are now 95 such ramps. Signal timing is varied automatically (with a manual over-ride available) based on the "%-occupancy" calculations. Each such ramp has sensors for the first two spaces before the signal, and one after. It is easy to observe if anyone is not waiting for a "green" light, or is "piggy-backing" on a previous vehicle's light. TSC also provides a clearing-house for emergency travel information distribution for State Police, METRA, PACE, O'Hare Parking, etc. Any media connection receives this information along with the five minute reports. The expressway "changeable sign" system is also controlled by TSC. Some 13 signs at key positions can be used to give road condition and emergency information information to drivers that are not listening to "traffic reports" on the radio. "Studies have shown the TSC plus other measures have reduced peak congestion by up to 60% and accidents by 18%. A trucking-industry study suggests that $17 in benefits are returned to the public for each $1 spent by the system." Al Varney - AT&T Network Systems Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with IDOT except as a periodic highway user and taxpayer. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 10:41:04 -0500 (EST) From: Robin Grayson Subject: Bellcore/CMU Forum February 18, 1992 From: Judith Irven Executive Director Bellcore Information Networking Institute To: Interested Members of the Education Community Dear Colleage: The dates of the Bellcore Forum on Information Networking Education are fast approaching. The Forum, bringing together academic and industry leaders, convenes on Friday, March 13-14, 1992, at the Bellcore Training and Education Center in Lisle, Illinois, located near Chicago. Our focus is the growing need for industry professionals with an integrated background in business management, computer science, electrical engineering and public policy. Bellcore, the research and engineering consortium of the nation's regional telecommunications companies is sponsoring this unique event. Managers and executives from Bellcore, decision makers from the telecommunications industry and academics versed in this new field of information education are teaming together to present a "resource-full" Forum for you. The Information Networking Institute (INI), a multidisciplinary educational program in information networking, jointly developed by educators from Bellcore and Carnegie Mellon, will be one of the featured programs. Attend this Forum on Information Networking to broaden your insights into a breakthrough field that can position your department, university or company to compete successfully in the information economy. The Forum Agenda and logistical information are attached. Denise Hayes, Bellcore Information Networking Institute coordinator (201-829-2209) can answer your questions. We look forward to seeing you at the Forum. Sincerely, Judith Irven Executive Director ***************************************************************************** Program Agenda Friday, March 13, 1992 Industry Needs for Information Networking: Two Perspectives 10:15- Management and Research Perspectives 11:00 a.m. Alfred Aho, Bellcore, AVP, Information Sciences and Technologies Research Laboratory Charlie Divine, Southwestern Bell Telephone 11:15- Panel of Practitioners: Information Networking Industry Noon Challenges Moderator: Rick Hronicek, Pacific Bell Panelists: Michele Bourdeau, Southwestern Bell Telephone Mike White, BellSouth Telecommunications, Inc. George Mather, Bell Atlantic Doug Nortz, Bellcore Noon- Luncheon Speaker: Stewart Personick, Bellcore, AVP, Information 1:30 p.m. Networking Research Laboratory Perpectives on Information Networking Professional Education 1:30-3:00 p.m. An Industry Model: Bellcore TEC Perspectives and Methods Panelists: Robert Keely, Bellcore TEC Cynthia Oehler, Bellcore TEC 3:15-5:00 p.m. Carnegie Mellon University Advanced Technology Innovation Program Panelists: Casey Jones, Carnegie Mellon University Tom Ho, Carnegie Mellon University Judith Irven, Bellcore 5:00-6:00 p.m. Informal Cocktail Hour 5:00-6:00 p.m. Optional Bellcore TEC Laboratories Tour 6:00-8:00 p.m. Dinner Speaker: John Bruce, Ameritech Services, VP, Training Saturday, March 14, 1992 Information Networking Academic Program Forum 9:00- Carnegie Mellon University Information Networking Program 10:00 a.m. Panelists: Marvin Sirbu, Carnegie Mellon University M. "Satya" Satyanarayanan, Carnegie Mellon Univ. Virginia Stonick, Carnegie Mellon University 10:00- Summation Panel: Actions We Can Take From Here 11:00 a.m. Panelists: Marvin Sirbu, Carnegie Mellon University Roger Eldridge, U S WEST Advanced Technologies Leonard Kleinrock, UCLA Dale Harris, Stanford University Judith Irven, Bellcore Noon Luncheon and Forum Closing *****************LOGISTICAL AND REGISTRATION INFORMATION********* FORUM FEE: the Forum fee is $105, to cover your room at Bellcore TEC and all meals. There is no separate registration fee. Checks are acceptable and should be made payable to "Bellcore TEC." Your institution may also be billed directly. Call the Registration contact number below. TRANSPORTATION: Bellcore TEC is easily accessible from Chicago's O'Hare and Midway airports. Discount airfares are available. Call United Airlines meeting desk: 1-800-521-4041 (give Bellcore's meeting number: 524 EV) Discount limousine serves are available (reservations required). Call either of these limousine services for details: American Limousine 708-920-8888 Lisle Livery 708-971-8484 REGISTRATION CONTACT: To register, call Donna Liesse, Forum Registrar, at 708-960-6400. FORUM CONTACTS: For more information about the Forum, call Dr. Jay Gillette, Program Manager, Bellcore Information Networking Institute, at 201-829-2505, or Ms. Denise Hayes, Bellcore Information Networking Institute coordinator, at 201-829-2209. --------------- Robin Grayson ***Have A Nice Day*** ------------------------------ From: mvc@eng.umd.edu (Minze V. Chien) Subject: How Are Concentrators Used in Networks? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 92 18:55:46 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering Hi, netland, I have this question regarding how concentrator's are used in telephone switching networks or in computer networks now in practice. Can any expert in this field tell discuss it? Thanks a lot. Minze ------------------------------ From: bperigo@milton.u.washington.edu (Bob Perigo) Subject: Is That Line in Use? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 23:25:31 GMT Ever seen the circuit for a device that shows when an extension is off-hook? I'd like to build same into each of my phones so a LED would warn whoever NOT to pickup the phone so they wouldn't disturb modem activity. I assume we need compare the 48 volt standard to under 25 when any device is online. Please post the circuit here. I bet it would become a popular project. [Moderator's Note: From time to time we have printed the schematic and messages about it here. Perhaps someone will forward it to you. PAT] ------------------------------ From: KKL100@psuvm.psu.edu Organization: Penn State University Date: Tuesday, 25 Feb 1992 02:36:34 EST Subject: Telix 3.15 FTP Site Wanted If you know where TELIX 3.15 zip files are, could you email the FTP site to me. kkl100@psuvm.psu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 92 08:42:27 GMT From: Mark Earle Subject: Texas Politics and the Phone The Democrats accused the Republicans of calling a specific court to influence the "Robin Hood" school district re-financing plan. Apparently, they somehow obtained phone company records detailing calls to the court from specific locations. Now, the Republicans are requesting similiar records to use to "prove" that the Democrats made just as many calls to lobby the court to rule in their favor. Ah, politics. Serious doubts are raised in my mind about privacy, etc. It seems these days that telco records of calls are all to easily obtainable if one has "clout". And they want to detail all calls with metered calling? I hope that doesn't come to pass! Mark Earle 73117.351@compuserve.com adblu001@ccsuvm1.bitnet [Moderator's Note: You may recall that Proctor and Gamble tried this tactic when they got a bee in their bonnet about an employee leaking information to the {Wall Street Journal} ... just pull all the phone records for the town and search out the calls in question. PAT] ------------------------------ Subject: Legal History of MOH Date: Sun Feb 23 18:18:21 1992 From: astroatc!vidiot!madnix!zaphod@spool.cs.wisc.edu (Ron Bean) When I was a kid back in the late 60's/early 70's, there was a sort of urban legend floating around that it was "illegal" to play music over the phone. The reason given was either something about "broadcasting without a license" (not likely), or copyright violations from not having an ASCAP license (possible). I wondered if this might also be related to the Carterfone decision, since MOH involves connecting things to the phone line. Has anyone else ever heard of this? When did MOH become common? [Of course, this also meant that it was illegal to _sing_ over the phone, which provided us with plenty of opportunities to try to impress each other: "look, I'm breaking the law!" "Ooooh, you could go to jail!".] zaphod@madnix.UUCP (Ron Bean) {harvard|rutgers|ucbvax}!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!zaphod ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 92 17:27 CST From: whknight@sdf.LoneStar.ORG Subject: What Areas Still Have X-Bar and SxS? Okay, the company name is MICRO OFFICE and the product name is Acoustic Couple, its price is $119 ... Also, I would like to ask the readership of this fine journal of ideas, if any of them have and would be able to supply me with a list of area codes, still on X-Bar or SxS switching. Thank you, >< White Knight >< [Moderator's Note: I really doubt anyone has compiled such a list, but I am curious: why do you want to know? Would you want phone service from one of those systems if it was available in your town? PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #171 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa14750; 26 Feb 92 0:40 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA21715 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Tue, 25 Feb 1992 22:07:34 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA25529 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Tue, 25 Feb 1992 22:07:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 22:07:23 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202260407.AA25529@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #172 TELECOM Digest Tue, 25 Feb 92 22:07:21 CST Volume 12 : Issue 172 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: Seeking Reverse Telephone Book (Jim Youll) Re: Fax Protocol Specs (Toby Nixon) Re: Alternatives to MOH (Sander J. Rabinowitz) Re: 800 Number Published in Cartoon (Chip Rosenthal) Re: Hookup Charges - Are They Ripping us Off? (Mike Berger) Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground (Allen Gwinn) Re: Kansas City Sysops and Southwestern Bell (Reginald Hirsch) Re: Phone Service to Cuba (John R. Covert) Re: GOSIP: Government Open Systems Information Profile (Tony Harminc) Re: Alternatives to MOH (Mike Berger) Re: Looking For Information on Two Mystery Modems (Mike Berger) Re: Differences in State Telecom Regulations (Bob Frankston) It's Happened! (Wrong Number, Intended for 310) (Carl Moore) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jyoull@andy.bgsu.edu (Jim Youll) Subject: Re: Seeking Reverse Telephone Book Date: 25 Feb 92 23:14:42 GMT Organization: Bowling Green State Univ. In article AUGUST@JPLLSI.JPL.NASA.GOV (Richard B. August) writes: > I'm certain such a thing exists ... but where? To add to the problem > I'm interested in one that is electronic and accessable via modem. > Anyone know of such a beast? > [Moderator's Note: Certainly. Try Compuserve, where the national > reverse directory (what there is of it, non-pubs are excluded as are a > lot of business numbers) is accessed with GO PHONEFILE. You can also > use this file to search alphabetically all over the USA. There is a > small surcharge in addition to normal Compuserve rates. PAT] I'd like to take this opportunity to discourage anyone from wasting time and money on the "National Phone Book" on CI$. It's bad enough that you are surcharged for search-time. Multiply that by the fact that the last time I attempted to use the service, it crashed repeatedly, with the old surcharge timer running all the time. And I checked on a number of family members who have *had the same phone number for over 20 years* ... they aren't in there. Go figure. Anyway, the best way to find someone's phone number is to call directory assistance. At 60 cents (even if it were a dollar) it's less than the time it takes to look up one number on CIS ... ------------------------------ From: Toby Nixon Subject: Re: Fax Protocol Specs Date: 25 Feb 92 18:39:53 GMT Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA Our esteemed Moderator noted: >> The existence of fax modem command set standards doesn't necessarily >> make it any easier, I'm sorry to say! But at least it will, before > [Moderator's Note: Did you mean 'lack of standards'? PAT] No, I meant what I said. The fax modem command set standards in existence handle only a relatively small portion of the processing necessary for sending or receiving a fax. With Class 1, all of the protocol processing AND T.4 image processing must still be done in the software; with Class 2, the T.30 protocol is moved into the modem, but the software must set up a plethora of parameters in the modem to control it, and the software also must still handle the T.4 image processing. My point was that even with the existence of these standards, there is still a substantial amount of work that goes into writing a fax application. They DO provide for interchangability of modems and software, which will help the market immensely, but it doesn't make writing the software itself THAT much easier than it used to be with only proprietary fax interfaces. We can hope that T.611 and/or FaxBios, which interface at a much higher level (ASCII or printer output file formats, phone numbers and schedules, rather than protocol frames and bitmapped images), will simplify the process to the point that adding fax capability to applications will become substantially easier. Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-840-9200 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | BBS +1-404-446-6336 AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon Fido 1:114/15 USA | Internet tnixon@hayes.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 01:14 GMT From: "Sander J. Rabinowitz" <0003829147@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Alternatives to MOH > [Moderator's Note: What about TROH (Talk Radio on Hold)? PAT] Hmmm ... the problem there is that it wouldn't be 100% talk. The radio station might play something as background music every so often, and I suspect even the theme music might have BMI/ASCAP protection of some kind. :-( My solution: Go to garage sales, flea markets, etc., and buy all the old 78-rpm records from the 1920's and 30's (or earlier) you can find. With the appropriate equipment (a Victrola, perhaps?), transfer them over to cassette, and play *that* over your MOH system. Of course, you'll probably turn off some of your customers, but at least you won't have to worry about licensing. :-> Sorry if this note's the one that *really* closes the subject. Sander J. Rabinowitz (sjr@mcimail.com), Brentwood, Tennessee. [Moderator's Note: We'll have *just one more*, later in this issue. PAT] ------------------------------ From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) Subject: Re: 800 Number Published in Cartoon Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 09:07:28 GMT In article covert@covert.enet.dec. com (John R. Covert) writes: > If 100,000 readers called it to see what it was, I suspect it cost > Jerry's campaign on the order of $10,000. Do you think it got him > that much in contributions? Dunno -- but keep your eyes on your newspapers. After Trudeau ran the `I want to become a Texas resident just like George so I don't have to pay income tax' coupons, the office of the Texas State Comptroller was innundated with requests from around the world. (Maine in particular was listed as heavily represented.) One state filed a request with the Comptroller's office for the names of people who sent in coupons. (John told them to take a leap.) Sharp did have certificates printed up and mailed out. This was done with `political' rather than state funds. Reports left it unclear whether the labor to do so was paid for by the state or not. Chip Rosenthal Unicom Systems Development 512-482-8260 ------------------------------ From: berger%median@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Berger) Subject: Re: Hookup Charges - Are They Ripping us Off? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 19:37:53 GMT amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn) writes: > The deposit isn't a scam either. It's the telco equivalent of COD. > Consider the case where you want to buy something from me (in my case, > computers ... that's what I sell). You walk into my store and say > "I'd like model 8633 over there". I say "OK, who are you?" You tell > me your name and address, and walk off with the computer. > NOT!!!! I'm certainly not going to let you, who I don't know from Joe > Schmoe, walk off without paying. But you want the telco to give you > an account, give you 30-day credit terms, and let you use a service > where you could run up thousands of dollars per week in bills that > they can't even be sure you'll pay? > That's what deposits are for. But the phone company doesn't ask for a deposit that can cover their potential loss. So surely they're not REALLY afraid that I'm going to run up a huge bill and leave the country. And they can cut off my service if I don't pay right away. You don't have the same option if you let me walk away with a computer. I don't need your continued service for that. So I don't see that as a reasonable justification. I've known people who had 15 year excellent payment records who were still required to leave a deposit for new phone service. Mike Berger Department of Statistics, University of Illinois AT&TNET 217-244-6067 Internet berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ From: allen@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG (Allen Gwinn) Subject: Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground Organization: sulaco Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 13:18:22 GMT In article roscom!monty@uunet.UU.NET (Monty Solomon) writes: > A couple of months ago I was on a flight from Boston to SFO on United > and had a long delay before departure. There was a lawyer sitting > behind me who was having several lengthly cellular phone conversations > with parties in California and was asked by a flight attendant to > terminate the conversation so that we could take off. His cellular > phone was somehow interferring with the plane's communication and/or > navigation systems. Speaking as a pilot, I have never seen a cellular phone that interferes with any aircraft navigation equipment. My guess is that they told him that he was interfering with communications just to get him to hang up. Sneaky bastards :-) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Kansas City Sysops and Southwestern Bell From: reginald.hirsch@yob.sccsi.com (Reginald Hirsch) Date: 24 Feb 92 19:05:00 GMT Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Reply-To: reginald.hirsch@yob.sccsi.com (Reginald Hirsch) > I didn't get this one either. Obviously, taking out an ad in a > magazine is "advertising", but what about being listed in a BBS list > in the back of {Computer Currents}? Or being listed in the > {Nixpub}, the Public Access Unix listing that circulates around the > net? In Texas the answer is no, paid advertising would result in a yes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 92 06:51:57 PST From: John R. Covert 25-Feb-1992 0944 Subject: Re: Phone Service to Cuba It is a clear violation of international treaties and CCITT recommendations for calls from one country to another to transit a third country in the absence of specific transit arrangements. The case with Cuba has nothing unique about it. It is just as illegal for someone in Canada to route calls from the U.S. to Cuba as it would be for someone in the U.S. to route calls from Canada to England (saving about $1.00 per minute, I might add). You will note that most exchanges do not support call forwarding to an 011+ destination. Only recently has this become available due to pressure for deregulation of the international telecoms industry. Yet it is still not legal to set up a call forwarding arrangement explicitly for the purpose of providing a third-country transit arrangement. Foreign exchange lines which cross national boundaries are supposed to be restricted from accessing the international network. Continental countries were threatening to raise telephone rates between the continent and the U.K. when the U.K. began to deregulate and allow inexpensive (relative to the continent) leased voice and data lines to the U.S. Telecom rates and regulations are set as a matter of national policy, and the CCITT regulations firmly support this. /john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 92 12:34:25 EST From: Tony Harminc Subject: Re: GOSIP: Government Open Systems Information Profile nelson@bolyard.wpd.sgi.com (Nelson Bolyard) wrote: > In article Bruce Clement writes: >> I understand that there are minor differences between the UK GOSIP and >> the real thing (which was sorted out between the Australian & NZ >> Governments). There are also other variants of GOSIP used by various >> foreign governments. >> The specs on the real thing should be available from either the >> Australian or NZ Government print shops. One in every major city. > What's all this talk about "the real thing" as if there was one true > GOSIP?? The original post referred to UK GOSIP as a variation on GOSIP, with the implication that the poster felt that US GOSIP was the "real" one, and everything else a mere variation. The reply from our antipodean friend was a send-up of that US-centric attitude. Surely not every little joke needs a stack of smilies ? Tony H. ------------------------------ From: berger%median@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Berger) Subject: Re: Alternatives to MOH Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 19:19:08 GMT Barton.Bruce@camb.com (Barton F. Bruce) writes: > Folks, there is something rotten here. I am not trying to 'CHEAT' > musicians, but there has to be a better way! There may well be some > quality off shore music sources -- little known but good school > orchestras, etc. -- that would LOVE to sell CDROMS for say $25, $50, > $100 (anything is better than BMI) and INCLUDE specific permission for > MOH use. I called the music department at the Harvard Coop and asked > if they had 'legal-for-MOH' recordings, and got nowhere. I know a > local guy that owns a recording company that may well have such things > or if not might be interested! I will ask as soon as possible. > Anyone else know where BMI/ASCAP/extortion proof recordings are > available? Really? It sounds like that's what you're trying to do. Music recordings are licensed works. If you don't want to pay the license fee, then listen to them, but don't use them commercially. It's very simple, and doesn't sound too restrictive to me. You might be surprised how little it costs to license music for public use. A friend that presses 78 RPM records for old juke boxes pays five cents/song/record to ASCAP. Anything that's older than 20 years is free. Top 40 stuff costs a little more. As for your suggestion of having unknown or foreign bands record the music, the selections themselves are copyrighted and licensed. Your local high school pays a fee when they perform a play, even if you've never heard of the performers. So that's not a legal loophole for cheating musicians. It's funny how upset some people on the Internet get when somebody asks about stealing software, but I don't see the same outrage over stealing performance art. Mike Berger Department of Statistics, University of Illinois AT&TNET 217-244-6067 Internet berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu [Moderator's Note: You raise a very good point about theft of the intellectual efforts of another person or group. PAT] ------------------------------ From: berger%median@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Berger) Subject: Re: Looking For Information on Two Mystery Modems Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 19:49:08 GMT explorer@iastate.edu (Michael Graff) writes: > I have two modems, both made by a company called ConData. One is a > P212A, while the other is a T212A. > I'm looking for pinouts/manuals/whatever-I-can-get for these modems. > If anyone has a hint, or better yet a manual, please let me know. > Please respond via Mail because I rarely read these newsgroups. I guess I'm pretty insensitive to this kind of request these days. Do your own homework! Comdata (you can get the spelling right from the modem) is still in business, and they're pretty nice about sending manuals for old equipment. But you probably won't read this anyway. Just so nobody gets the wrong impression, I'm happy to help out when somebody has made a little effort himself, first. But I see so many requests for documentation which is readily available from manufacturers that can be found with little effort. Why would anybody expect a stranger to go to more trouble for them than they're willing to go to for themselves? Mike Berger Department of Statistics, University of Illinois AT&TNET 217-244-6067 Internet berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Differences in State Telecom Regulations Date: Tue 25 Feb 1992 20:52 -0500 Why can't the DPU order NET to provide Caller-ID with per-line blocking instead of letting NET act like a spoiled child and withdraw the offering when it couldn't have its own way? One can argue that Caller-ID is a useful service anyway even if NET loses some marketing clout by not providing 100% service. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 92 12:06:13 EST From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) Subject: It's Happened! (Wrong Number, Intended For 310) I just got a call intended for area code 310 in California, and had to tell the caller she had reached either 301 or 410 in Maryland. I asked (and got affirmative answer) "Are you trying to reach Beverly Hills?" I am on the 278 prefix in Maryland. The wrong number call was intended for Marilyn; the last name was NOT Monroe. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #172 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa16725; 26 Feb 92 1:44 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA29391 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Tue, 25 Feb 1992 22:57:17 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA10105 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Tue, 25 Feb 1992 22:55:39 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 22:55:39 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202260455.AA10105@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: telecom@delta.eecs.nwu.edu Subject: Telex from Internet This special mailing includes a summary of responses too large for a regular issue of the Digest. PAT From: Chip.Elliott@dartmouth.edu (Chip Elliott) Subject: Telex from Internet Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Many thanks to everyone who replied with information about ways to send Telexes from an Internet host. Here is a compendium of all the replies I received -- the ones most useful to me are at the front. I appreciate the time and effort taken to send me this information. Again -- many thanks! chip.elliott@dartmouth.edu ------------------------------------------------ Chip, Here is more information about email and telex. Don Newcomb newcomb@navo.navy.mil I have updated my earlier posting comparing various e-mail services for personal use. I want to thank everyone who responded and supplied corrections to my posting. To put some persons' concerns to rest, my only relationship with any vendor of computer services is as a customer. In this study, I based my comparisons on the grades of service which would give the lowest cost for the least use. I have struggled with finding a good format to present my findings. I found that some people did not relate well to the matrix I used in my first posting. Others did not agree with the basis I was using to make my comparison. Sort of like, "Why compare the price of the basic sedan when everyone is going to order A/C and automatic anyway." To alleviate these concerns I have included a brief discussion based on my understanding of each system's features and pricing. My information may be incorrect. Some providers are hard to "pin down" on prices and features. I encourage you to check with providers yourself before purchasing a service. If glaring errors remain in my listing, I would appreciate your corrections. I have tried to provide a phone number or e-mail address to contact each service for information. Three types of charges are detailed: A. Setup: A one time charge to get your account established. B. Annual minimum: What you will be charged even if you don't use the system. C. Hourly access: What it costs (often a range of costs) to occupy a port even if you don't send or receive mail. This is a problem area for my analysis. Some systems bundle access via PSN or 800 number into this figure, some don't. Other charges for e-mail are assumed to be a function of the number of characters or messages sent or received. Charges of this type are indicated by a "$" in the matrix. A problem arises in that "$" does not indicate "how much." So, while both Omnet and ATT Mail indicate a "$" to send to Telemail, for Omnet this is about $.06 while for ATT Mail it is $.40-.85 . The features are: A. Can send mail to various networks & systems: 1. Intermail: Internet, SPAN, UUCP, BITNET and all the systems connected by Internet. 2. Telemail: Sprint Mail, NASA Mail, Omnet etc. 3. MCI Mail 4. Compuserve 5. GEnie: General Electric's E-Mail 6. TELEX: Unrestricted World-wide Telex 6a. Personal Telex #. User has a personal Telex number for receiving Telex vs. common Telex number using a code in the message to route the message. 7. Telegram: World-wide delivery. 8. Paper Mail: Delivery by USPS. 9. Dialcom: Tymnet E-mail 10. FAX: B. X.400 addressing: Utilizes and receives X.400 addressed messages. C. Packet network connections. D. Telnet: Access to and from Internet Telnet. E. Usenet: Has at least a basic Usenet News F. Binary File Transfer. Has a way to transfer binary files. G. File Store: User has at least 360K characters of storage. H. 800#: Access from toll-free 800 number for lower 48 states. I. Receipt: Sender can request an automatic receipt when a message is read. J. Auto-forward: User can set mailbox to automatically forward incoming mail to _any_ possible destination. (The acid test is to forward incoming e-mail to a FAX) The systems compared, so far, are: 1. Omnet (a source of Telemail) 2. MCI Mail 3. ATT Mail 4. ESL (Western Union EasyLink) 5. GEnie (Star*Services) (not same as Quickcom) 6. Pinet (American Institute of Physics) 7. World (Software Tool & Die, world.std.com) 8. Portal (Portal Communications) 9. Netcom (Online Communication Services) 10. Compuserve 11. 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N 0 60 0-18@ Pinet |Y Y Y Y ? $ D N $ $ N $ S Y Y Y Y Y N N 15 0 10-19@ World |Y Y Y Y ? D D N D D N D C Y Y Y Y N N Y 0 60 2 Portal |Y Y Y Y ? D D N D D N D S N N Y Y ? N Y 15 168 0 Netcom |Y Y Y Y ? D D N D D N D N Y Y Y ? N N Y 0 180 0 Compuserve|$ $ $ $ ? $ ? N $ ? ? $ M N N Y Y $ ? N 40 30 1-12? Fidonet |Y Y Y Y ? D D N D D N D N N N ? ? N N ? 0? 0? 0? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Key: Y=Available feature at no extra cost. N=Not available. $=Available, an extra charge for usage applies. D=Feature available with subscription to DASnet.* S=Sprint (Telenet) Packet Network C=Compuserve Packet Network T=Tymnet Packet Network P=Private Packet Network A=ACUNET Packet Network M=Multiple Packet Networks ?=Unsure *=Minimum sum of usage charges @=Includes domestic PSN charges Note:(*) DASnet is a service that provides systems and individuals with a gateways to a variety of incompatible e-mail systems. Despite frequent mention of DASnet, this is not an endorsement of their service. They can help you get mail to and from many networks, but the addressing is often complex (not realy their fault). Delivery is not always instantaneous. Six hour delivery is not uncommon. Direct DASnet connections are available for electronic mail systems and networks. Legal considerations may restrict the means of connection. A monthly charge of $4.75 plus usage charges apply to DASnet services for individuals. For information contact, (help@11.das.net). More details: Omnet: There are various ways to obtain GTE Telemail (a.k.a. Sprintmail) the one I am most familiar with is Omnet. Omnet is popular with oceanographers and meteorologists and probably costs more then some other Telemail providers. I once could have had a Telemail account for $25.00 setup + $15.00 a year + usage, but that opportunity passed. A few years ago, connections between Telemail and Internet were "iffy" at best; now things are more reliable. Telemail has long been tied closely with Telenet. I don't even know if it is possible to dial directly into a Telemail host. Well developed connections to FAX, Telex etc. (/id=service/o=omnet/admd=telemail/c=usa/@sprint.com) MCI Mail: Provides access to most networks. Private inbound Telex number. High use option (Preferred Pricing) available at $10.00/month for 40 "domestic electronic messages." No charge to access or retrieve mail. Basic communications are charged for message origination or forwarding plus a small annual fee ($35). Normal access via 800 number or Telenet. Seems set to compete with ATT Mail and vice versa. (0002740106@mcimail.com or 800-444-6245) ATT Mail: Provides access to most networks. Private inbound Telex number. Auto-forward supported (even to Telex or FAX). Various extra-cost options, but basic communications are charged for message origination or forwarding plus a small annual fee ($30). No charge to access or retrieve mail. One nice extra is message pick-up via 800 number with synthesized voice ($.50 per minute). Normal access is 800 number or ACUNET packet network. For someone who wants to receive a lot but send very little looks quite attractive. No Usenet. The gotcha is that ATT's $100+ software is required or you get charged an extra $.45+ to create each message online. You must have their software to send or receive binary files. This charge is not on their price list and is only mentioned obliquely in the brochures. It makes me wonder about other hidden charges. In fairness to ATT, I should say that they seem to specialize in linking in-house corporate mail systems to outside networks. In this application the expense of their software would be reasonable.(800-624-5672) ESL: EasyLink was Western Union's attempt at e-mail. It has recently been purchased by ATT but is still separate from ATT Mail. ESL can be best described as "virtual Telex." For companies that send a lot of Telex, ESL may be a good choice. Charges are based on the infamous "Telex minute" (about 400 char) and are lower than most other Telex connections. No "account maintenance" fee but a monthly minimum applies. There are no connections to Internet (except via DASnet). (800-624-5672) GEnie: I'm not sure GEnie should be described as an e-mail system as it does not seem to provide connections to any other system. GEnie Star*Services are economical and have many interesting features but e-mail is strictly local. (800-638-9636) Pinet: Pinet is a service of the American Institute of Physics. It is primarily intended for use by members of affiliated societies (AGU, APS, AAS etc). It is included because I have personal experience as a user. Basicly a Gould UTX/32 host with a restrictive mail shell. Normal access via 800 dial-in. Telenet access has been recently added and may replace the 800 number. Well connected to Telnet but users can't FTP. Access to Telex, paper mail, FAX etc. provided by system connection to DASnet. Abbreviated Usenet. (admin@pinet.aip.org) World: Software Tool & Die, Brookline MA. Sun 4 host. Well connected to Nearnet and SURAnet for Telnet and FTP but not rest of Internet (yet). They pride themselves on having an absurdly large number of news feeds (2500+). User has regular shell with only restriction being a rather "soft" file space quota of about 500 K bytes. Quota can be raised for small charge. Sign up for $20/mo and you get 20 hours with $1/hour above 20. Normal access is via dial-up or Telnet. Compuserve PSN access is available for $6.00 per hour surcharge. (office@world.std.com) Portal: Well known as UUCP & Usenet server. Also provides personal accounts. Access via Telenet $2.50-$15.00 per hour surcharge. Storage charge of $.04/K/month above 100 K bytes. Not well connected for FTP & Telnet. Cupertino, CA. (cs@portal.com) Netcom: This was a big surprise. Online Communications Services seems (if I am reading their brochure correctly) to provide unlimited access to Intermail, Telnet, FTP, archives and more for a flat $15.00 per month. Well connected to Internet. 9600 baud dial-ups. No packet net or 800 number access. San Jose, CA. (bobr@netcom.com) Compuserve: Well known to Joe Public. Provides 1001 services in addition to e-mail. Seems to provide FAX, Telex, Intermail, commercial mail connections etc. Brochures high on gloss; low in facts and prices. (800-457-6245) Fidonet: Fidonet is a world-wide, store-and-forward network for PCs. In theory, it connects BBS users from South Africa to Greenland and on all continents. A hierarchal addressing system organizes the net into geographic zones and nets organized around a local hub. A one-way message may take 2-3 days to arrive at its destination. FidoNet is gated to Internet via the fidonet.org domain. It is possible for a FidoNet node to set up a DASnet link for other services, but this may not be via Internet or UUCP. No set cost schedule. FidoNet nodes in my area are all cost free. No single P.O.C. Node list available via FTP on asuvax.eas.asu.edu in /stjhmc/nodelist.txt . Also via BITFTP on BITNET. Donald Newcomb ---------------- Chip, You could join our network. From it you can send and receive telexes. Further information on our system and Internet access to it is attached. Regards, Tom Gray IGC Support --------------- INSTITUTE FOR GLOBAL COMMUNICATIONS: PeaceNet * EcoNet * ConflictNet 18 De Boom Street, San Francisco, CA 94107 (415) 442-0220 voice (415) 546-1794 fax 154205417 telex electronic mail: support@igc.org What are IGC Networks? The IGC Networks -- PeaceNet, EcoNet and ConflictNet -- comprise the world's only computer communications system dedicated solely to environmental preservation, peace, and human rights. IGC, located in San Francisco, California, is a division of the Tides Foundation, a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization. Electronic Mail: Send and receive private messages -- including Fax and Telex -- to and from more than 8,000 international peace, environmental and conflict resolution users on our affiliated networks or to millions of users on other networks. Electronic mail is quick, inexpensive, reliable and easy to use. Conferences: IGC's conferencing services offer easy-to-use tools in group communication and event coordination. Geographically dispersed people can communicate inexpensively on any subject. Whether you are administering an organization or distributing an urgent action alert, IGC conferences are an indispensable tool. Private conferences can be set up to facilitate internal group decision-making, task-sharing processes, or sensitive communications. Public conferences are great for information sharing, newsletter distribution, legislative alerts and news services. Information Resources IGC's several hundred public conferences also include events calendars, newsletters, legislative alerts, funding sources, press releases, action updates, breaking stories, calls for support, as well as ongoing discussions on issues of global importance. IGC is also an access point for the USENET system of interuniversity bulletin boards. IGC's capabilities allow you to search lists of speakers, U.S. Congress and world leaders, media, grant-making foundations or bibliographies. International Programs & The Association for Progressive Communications IGC regards international cooperation and partnership as essential in addressing peace and environmental problems. IGC maintains a major program to develop low-cost access to computer networking from outside the United States, especially from non-industrialized and Southern hemisphere countries. The result of this program has been the Association of Progressive Communications (APC) which now includes low- cost computer networks in eight countries. IGC has played a major role in starting the Alternex (Brazil), Nicarao (Nicaragua) and GlasNet (USSR) non-profit computer networks, as well as in providing technical support to all of the partner networks. .. Current projects include developing computer networks for peace, environmental and international development organizations in Bolivia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Uruguay and Kenya. The focus of the work is to empower local, indigenous organizations by transferring expertise and capacity in computer networking. Operation and management of a local APC node becomes the full responsibility of the local organization. All APC partners are independent organizations, and retain full control over their network. IGC collaborates with the United Nations Development Programme in work in Latin America. The International Programme is supported entirely by grants from major Foundations and individual donors. Contributors include: The Ford Foundation, General Service Foundation and the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. IGC Rates: After a one-time $15 sign-up fee, the monthly subscription is $10, which includes one free hour of off-peak time (after 6 p.m. and on weekends) and phone support. Domestic connect time is $5/hour for off-peak and $10 for peak time (M-F 7 am to 6 pm). Alaska and Hawaii users are subject to slightly higher rates. Internet connectivity is available from many locations for $3 per hour. International connect rates vary with each country's public data network. A growing number of countries have direct SprintNet connections at $21 per hour. Some gateways and storage space are extra. How Can I Join? Fill out this coupon and send/fax it to us. Or sign up online by having your computer dial (415) 322-0284 (N-8-1) - have your credit card ready!. Type 'new' at the LOGIN prompt hit at the PASSWORD prompt, then follow the step-by-step instructions. .. Select: [ ] EcoNet [ ] PeaceNet [ ] ConflictNet .. Name ________________________________________________________________ Organization ________________________________________________________ Address _____________________________________________________________ City, State, Zip ____________________________________________________ Telephone ___________________________________________________________ Major Areas of Interest______________________________________________ For credit card billing only: Name on card __________________________ Expiration date _____________ Acct # _________________________ Signature __________________________ If you prefer to pay by check monthly, send a refundable $50 deposit. May we list your address in our online user directory? May we list your phone number? From support2 Thu Jul 25 04:07:08 1991 Subject: Internet Documentation Connecting to IGC Networks via the Internet I. About the Internet IGC networks (e.g. PeaceNet, EcoNet and ConflictNet) are now accessible via the Internet, making it cheaper and easier for many academic users to login. The Internet is the world's leading inter-university network, and connects thousands of academic and research institutions around the world. There is no surcharge for Internet access - you pay our normal direct dial rates of $3/hour, 24 hours a day! If you don't know if your campus is connected to the Internet, you'll have to find out. If you don't have a friend who can tell you, then it's best to contact the campus organization that manages your campus computer networks. Otherwise, you could contact your computer science department or campus computer system, and ask to speak to a computer network administrator or computer system administrator. If your campus is on the Internet but you don't have an account on a computer that's connected to the Internet, then you'll have to acquire one. The best way to find out how to do this is to find a friend who already has an account on a computer that's on the Internet, and ask them how they got it. If you don't know anyone who has an account, then you could try contacting the head of your department, or the computer science department or campus computer system, and ask to get an account on a timesharing computer that's connected to the Internet (or else ask to have your personal computer connected to an "ethernet" that's connected to the campus "backbone" network). NOTE: The Internet is to be used only for bona-fide educational or research purposes, and it is up to an individual's sponsoring institution to make sure that a user is using it for bona-fide educational purposes. II. LOGGING IN TO THE IGC NETWORKS THROUGH THE INTERNET - TELNET Once you have an Internet account, you'll have to learn how to log in to it. Once you can do this, then you're ready to log in to your account on the IGC Networks. To do this, run the command telnet igc.org -- or -- telnet 192.82.108.1 from your Internet account. If this doesn't work, contact a technical expert at your campus to get assistance. Note that if your personal computer is connected directly to an ethernet and you don't log in directly to a campus computer, then you might need to run a command on your personal computer that's called something different than 'telnet'. Because there are dozens of different ways that campus systems connect to the Internet, we cannot anticipate all of them. If you don't already have an account on IGC, and you would like to signup for an account and pay for it with a credit card, then you should type 'new' at the login: prompt, and type RETURN or ENTER at the Password: prompt. If you don't use credits cards, please call us at 1-415-442-0220 between 9am and 5pm, Pacific Time to arrange payment for a new account. III. File Transfers over the Internet - Using FTP with IGC There are two different ways to upload files from your personal computer to IGC, and download messages from IGC to your own system. If you're using your personal computer and a modem program (such as ProComm or RedRyder) to login to another campus computer, then you can do uploads and downloads exactly as described in the IGC manual, i.e. using one of the "normal" file transfer protocols such as ascii or kermit. [Try to avoid using xmodem, since it requires a pure 8-bit data path; in particular, CTRL-S and CTRL-Q can *not* be used for flow control with xmodem.] If you're not using a modem program (e.g. you're running the 'telnet' command from your personal computer, or you're using a dumb terminal that's directly connected to a campus computer), then you probably won't be able to use one of the "normal" protocols. However, you can use your computer's FTP command instead. To use your university computer's FTP command in conjunction with the IGC Networks, you need to inform the IGC computer that you'll be doing this. UPLOADING: At the prompt: Hit to enter/edit a message, or 'u' to (u)pload a file: be sure to select (u)pload. At the next prompt: Protocol: (a)scii-text (k)ermit (x)modem (y)modem (z)modem (f)tp: be sure to select (f)tp. You will then see: Please use your ftp program to log in as 'anonymous', and place your file in upload/. Use your university computer's 'ftp' command to initiate a file transfer. When asked to login, be sure to login in to: igc.org, or cdp.igc.org, or 192.82.108.1 DO NOT ftp into gatekeeper.igc.org. FTP will not work through 'gatekeeper'. When you login with ftp as 'anonymous', use 'guest' or 'ident' as a password. This puts you into a place on our computer network that allows temporary storage of uploaded files. Be sure to change directory to 'upload' and then use the ftp command to transfer the file from your computer to ours using your loginID as the destination name of the file. Once the transfer is completed, go back to the telnet command and hit or . This completes the ftp upload process. This also deletes your file from the 'anonymous' upload subdirectory on the IGC computer. You will be asked if you want to edit the uploaded file. If you say (y)es, then use the online editor's (v)iew command, you will see the contents of your file. Hitting twice from the Edit: prompt will save and send your changes. If you are using a multi-user computer on your campus, then you may have "job control", a feature that allows you to switch back and forth between programs. If you need to leave telnet (or ftp) and go into ftp (or telnet), type '~ CTRL-Z' or 'CTRL-] CTRL-Z' to temporarily "suspend" telnet (or ftp), then type e.g. 'fg %ftp or 'fg %n' (where the 'jobs' command will tell you which 'n' is needed for the ftp command) to go into ftp. If you don't have job control, you may be able to type '~ z' or 'CTRL-Z z' (or '!' or 'shell' instead of 'z') in telnet to get a subshell, so that you can start ftp then transfer your file then exit ftp then type 'exit RETURN' to return to telnet and continue specifying commands on the IGC computer. If you're using MacIP on a Macintosh, then you can have an ftp window and a telnet window. If you're using the NCSA telnet command on an MSDOS computer, then you don't have a separate ftp command, and your telnet program provides only an ftp server not an ftp client; the IGC system does not provide an ftp client to talk to NCSA telnet's ftp server. So you won't be able to use the ftp protocol directly from your MSDOS computer. If you can get an account on a multi-user computer at your campus that's accessible from telnet on your MSDOS computer, then you can telnet from your MSDOS computer to the campus multi-user computer and login to that computer, and from there use the multi-user campus computer's telnet and ftp commands to contact the IGC computer. Then use ftp on your campus computer to transfer files to and from your MSDOS computer. DOWNLOADING: Downloading using FTP is similar to uploading -- just in reverse. You must first inform the IGC Networks that you will be performing an FTP download: From the Mail? or Conf? prompts, select (c)apture, followed by Status: RO (d)ownload. If Status: R in Conf mode, you'll be asked to identify what you want to download. You will then be asked for a protocol. Select (f)tp. You will then see: OK. Now log in to this machine with anonymous ftp, and get the file download/ As in the case with uploading, use your university computer's FTP command to log in to igc.org or cdp.igc.org (NOT gatekeeper.igc.org!). Use the account name (login name) 'anonymous' with a password of 'guest' or 'ident'. Change directory to 'download'. (If you are still logged in from a previous FTP session, and moving from 'upload' to 'download', you may have to change directories twice: first just do a 'cd' back to the ftp home directory; then 'cd download'.) Use your system's FTP command to download the file to your system. On our system, the file will have as its name your login ID. You may name it as you wish on your system. A few useful FTP Commands: cd - Change to Directory named on IGC. put - transfer file from YOUR computer to IGC. get - transfer file from IGC to YOUR computer. Note that with some ftp software you may not be able to specify a second argument to 'put' or 'get', in which case the file on your own computer will need to be called also. WARNING: FTP downloads are not completely secure. There may be a small window of time during which someone else might be able to have access to your file. We therefore recommend you do not use FTP for documents that you strongly want to keep private. -------------------------------------------- Chip, Send a copy of your question to help@11.das.net . They will be glad to tell you about a $ervice you can $ubscribe to that will link Internet and telex. Don Newcomb newcomb@navo.navy.mil -------------------------- Mail to root@infoac.rmi.DE (Rupert Mohr). They provide such a service if I recall correctly. Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse (spel@hippo.ru.ac.ZA) Katatura State Hospital (el@lisse.NA works for small files) Private Bag 13215 Windhoek, Namibia --------------------------- We use a product called MGATE that is a MCI-to-UNIX gateway. This would alow you to send tellexes (as well as FAXen,paper mail,....etc) from you Unix nodes with a To: filed like "c=0%tlx=232123@telex". Gotta buy MCI though. (think its 1.50/telex msg). XtcN Ltd 11 Roxbury Ave. 4425 Butterworth Pl. N.W. Natick MA 01760 Washington D.C. 20016 Tel:508-655-2960 Tel:202-363-3661 E-mail: Internet: lamb@xtcn.com Telex: 6504829720 X.400: C=US; A=MCI; S=Lamb; D.ID=4829720 ------------------------ Hi, If you need to telex to Russia, you can probably makae your inquery to Victor Andreenko and@kaija.spb.su. They are doing some kind of telex-fax-internet gateways. ------------------------- Call AT&T Mail, and set up an account as a registered system. You'll have to call them direct via UUCP, or they'll have to call you, for security reasons. But once this is in place, you can address messages to "attmail!telex!", and they'll go through just fine. Their customer service number is 800-624-5672. I don't know of any service that allows you to send telexes through Internet, because of the difficulty in billing. If you find one, please let me know! Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer Voice +1-404-840-9200 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 BBS +1-404-446-6336 AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon Fido 1:114/15 USA Internet ynixon@hayes.com ------------------- If you're registered with AT&T Mail, you can send telexes by using the address: attmail!telex!number You'll have to be hooked directly to attmail in order for this to work. Going through the Internet gateways, such as using telex!number@attmail.com wouldn't work because telex is blocked for mail coming in through that route. Tony Hansen hansen@pegasus.att.com, tony@attmail.com att!pegasus!hansen, attmail!tony ----------------- A couple of years ago, there was an interconnect email carrier called "dasnet" which would do this. I don't know if they are still in business or where to reach them, though. They are not in "whois" under the name "dasnet", but there is a company called "DA Systems" registered for the domain names DAS.NET and DAS.COM. So try to write to postmaster@DAS.COM and ask if they do this kind of thing, and write back to TELECOM of they do. Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer CMC Rockwell lars@CMC.COM ------------------- I think is best done via MCI Mail. We use all of the main commercial services at my work (Sprint, AT&T, MCI etc.), but I think MCI is the best one. I'm not affiliated with them, just my two cents. No on-line time, no monthly minimum, and easy menus. Regards, Adam -------------------- We are able to send Telex locally, but we have blocked the possibility messages from outside to be sent as Telex. The reason is simple: sending a Telex is not free, and Unix software (which I have written myself) does not handle accounting. I'd be glad to mail you my software, which interfaces an Intertex 44-box to Unix mail, but I doubt you'd have any use for it as the box is connected to the Teletex-network and as far as I know there are very few Teletex-connections in the US. (Teletex is about 50 times faster than Telex and there are gateways between the nets.) If you nevertheless would find our solution interesting for any reason, please don't hesitate to contact me. Dan Sahlin, SICS, Sweden email: dan@sics.se   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa13055; 27 Feb 92 2:54 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA24409 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Thu, 27 Feb 1992 00:40:33 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA14116 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Thu, 27 Feb 1992 00:40:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 00:40:19 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202270640.AA14116@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #173 TELECOM Digest Thu, 27 Feb 92 00:40:17 CST Volume 12 : Issue 173 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Administrivia: History of WU Files in Archives (TELECOM Moderator) Help on T1/56k Equipment/Vendor? (Eric Pearce) Area Code Splits and Telco Error Messages (Steve Forrette) `00': A Single European International Dialing Code (XIII, via Drew Radtke) Can't Call (201) 380 From Connecticut (203) (Seng-Poh Lee) CLASS Services Interfering With Other Custom Calling Services (Ron Kushner) How to Win Customers and Influence People (Guardian, via Nigel Roberts) Elevator Phone Spooked Man (Calgary Herald, via Steven Leikeim) Nynex, Vintage 1980 or 1970? (Bob Frankston) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1992 00:10:41 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Subject: Administrivia: History of WU Files in Archives The four articles on Western Union history which appeared here over the last weekend have been incorporated into a new archives file by the name 'history.of.western.union' in the Telecom Archives. This file has been placed in proximity with 'history.of.teletype' and 'history. of.stock.ticker'. You'd pull all three files if you wanted a good comprehensive look at earlier times in the telegraph business. Patrick Townson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1992 01:30:19 -0500 From: eap@ora.com (Eric Pearce) Subject: Help on T1/56k Equipment/Vendor? Hello, (You can skip to the end for a summary of the question) This is a rather long explanation of the last two weeks of my research and I invite comments on it. It might also be useful for someone else. I'm also planning on incorporating my experiences into a book at some point. For those you haven't heard of us, we are a publishing company specializing in technical documentation of the MIT X Window System and a series of 'Nutshell' guides to UNIX. We have two offices, one in Cambridge, MA and the other in Sebastopol, CA (near Santa Rosa, 50 miles north of SF). We have Ethernet lans in both offices and I would like to connect them. Phone-wise, we have incoming 800 (ATT Readyline) service to the CA office and outgoing (ATT Pro-Watts) from both offices. Things I looked into: Getting a dedicated data connection from one office to the other. Either T1, fractional T1, single 56k or mixture. Reducing our long distance phone costs. (We currently have ATT, which is rumored to be expensive) Extending our PBX (Fujitsu Starlog) into the other office, as we have lots of inter-office calls. I'd like to keep this open as an option for the future (more on this later). Video conferencing. I checked out PictureTel and Compression Labs. What I did: I went to Sprint, MCI and ATT and told them what I was looking for. Results: This meant an initial meeting with sales people and then a data specialist once I overwhelmed them with questions they couldn't answer. I did end up finding 'techie' types that know their stuff at each company. Video conferencing: It looks like we can't afford this, as each end would cost more than $25k in equipment alone. Extending PBX: Could use switched 56k or additional dedicated ds0's. I put this on the back burner for the moment. Reducing phone costs: Everybody seemed to agree that T1 local access was the way to go. We avoid the local carrier and go directly to the long distance carrier. Everything seems to get cheaper with T1 access and Sprint and MCI both waived installation charges. Data connection: I quickly determined that we could not afford full T1 across the county (quotes ran from $10 - 20k a MONTH). A single 56k seems to cost about $1k a month. Local T1 access was in the $600-700 range per end. Sprint and MCI were within a few hundred dollars of each other for most costs. I don't have a final quote from ATT yet. The problem with switching carriers for incoming 800 service is that we have to change our 800 number. This is a big deal, since the number is used everwhere on paper and the last seven years of publications. I did not look very hard at aggregators. Several people mention BRI (Basic Rate Interface), but the long distance carriers shot it down, saying it won't do me any good for intrastate connections since their PRI won't talk to it (I don't know if it's offered in my area anyways). What I ended up with: T1 local access for both offices and 1 56k line for the long distance part (IXC?) What I am stuck on now is premise equipment. My criteria is low entrance cost and expandability. The phone companies think I should get a channel bank that will split off the 1 ds0 for data and take about 12 of the other channels for voice. These would run into the PBX as regular analog lines and not require new PBX hardware. The other option is to get a DTI card for the PBX and run the T1 directly into it. We still have to split off the ds0 at some point. It sounds like this gives us a completely digital connection, but requires new hardware for the PBX in addittion to a 'drop and insert' box(?). I also looked at an inverse MUX called Ascend Multiband. This does bandwidth-on-demand using switched 56k from one T1 to the other. It is probably overkill for us, but it sounds pretty cool and has a good rep. It only does data, so is doesn't do anything my T1 voice requirement. The phone companies want to rent me channel banks and CSU/DSUs for $350-400 a month. It looks like I can buy new ones for $10k and used ones for $5k. Thanks for any thoughts. I don't mind hearing from vendors too. Eric Pearce eap@ora.com O'Reilly & Associates, Publishers of NutShell Series Handbooks 103 Morris St, Sebastapol, CA 95472 1-800-338-6887 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 92 11:29:08 pst From: Steve Forrette Subject: Area Code Splits and Telco Error Messages Now that the permissive dialing period for the 415/510 split is over, I've been caught a couple of times still dialing 415 and getting an intercept from the IXC. I think the wording of the recordings is quite indicative of the general character of the IXC's: AT&T: "The area code for the number you have dialed has been changed to 510." Sprint, MCI: "The area code you have dialed has been changed to 510." Now come on folks, is this really that hard to get right? I truely believe that the wording that Sprint and MCI use will only lead to further dialing mistakes by those unfamiliar with area code splits. Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com ------------------------------ From: A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk (Drew Radtke) Subject: `00': A Single European International Dialing Code Organization: University of Bradford, UK Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 21:38:13 GMT Here's an article from {XIII Magazine News Review} which just goes to show how quickly things can move in Euro-Telecoms. `00': a single European international dialing code The Council of Ministers has endored a Commission proposal setting 00 as a single dialing code for access to the international network throughout the Community. A formal decision will be taken once the European Parliament has given its opinion. The single international code should be operational via public networks from 31 December 1991 at the latest. [My copy only came today, but it was December 1991's edition]. However, taking account of some Member States' technical, financial or organizational difficulties, certain countries may be authorised to delay application until 31 December 1998 [!!!!]. There are currently seven different international codes within the EC: Belgium, Germany, Greece, Italy, Portual and Luxembourg already use the '00' code. All other member states use different codes: 009 in Denmark, 07 in Spain, 19 in France, 010 in the UK, 16 in Ireland and 09 in the Netherlands. Drew Radtke A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk Fax: +44 274 305340 * Voice: +44 274 383180 ------------------------------ From: splee@cat.syr.edu (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) Subject: Can't Call (201)-380 From Connecticut (203) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 92 22:04:20 EST This could also be called an evening with AT&T. This evening, I tried to call a cellular roamer port in New Jersey. The number was (201) 380-ROAM. I have AT&T as my primary carrier. I live in CT, area code 203. Time after time, upon dialing the number, all I got was 'Your call cannot be completed as dialed, please check the number and try again.. 203-2T'. I was beginning to think I had the wrong port number until I tried 10222. Bingo! Call went right through. So, I thought AT&T had a misprogrammed switch in CT. So I called the long distance operator and tried to inform her. She tried the number and got right through, but then she was in Albany, NY. She also called an operator in NJ, and the number went right through. I had a tough time convincing her that the problem was getting from CT to NJ and that MCI worked. For the record, she said 'Well, use MCI then'! Honest! Finally she called her supervisor, who seemed to comprehend a bit more about unprogrammed switches and unrecognized prefixes. She said that that prefix was owned by a private company (anyone know who?) and may not be recognized by everyone. She then tried to put me in touch with someone in long distance repair. The first place she called, she got the run around :-) They told her she shouldn't be calling there. Finally she was able to put me in touch with long distance repair, who seemed to take it in stride. They just took down the details and said they would investigate. When? Who knows. I wonder how many more places cannot dial (201) 380-ROAM via AT&T? Seng-Poh Lee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 92 06:45:28 EST From: rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner) Organization: Sycom Direct Subject: CLASS Services Interfering With Other Custom Calling Services I really have a gripe with the Callback feature. It has radically changed the way my Custom Calling features work and the way the line in general works. I can no longer flash off a misdialed call (takes a 2.5 second onhook to clear if its ringing), I can no longer flash off if I mess up in a dialing sequence when trying to set call-forwarding (ie: I dial 286 instead of 268 and then try to flash to reset dial tone, it takes a 2.5 second onhook), I can no longer use *72 to activate call forwarding -- it makes me use 72#, and its not as fast in picking up on a 72# in my autodialer; *72 worked fine. I used to have Premier service years ago and 72# was illegal on this service. It is hard learning a new way to program something -- silly isn't it? I have a beeper and use the voice mail as my answering machine, I'm so used to *72 because I used it everyday for seven years. Even myself, hitting 72# I have to wait for the stutter dialtone to become solid before dialing, its just not an autodialer problem, I'm too quick myself. I think I would have an easier time adjusting to 72# if I didn't use *67, *69, and *70 all the time. 1172 doesn't even work if you can believe that! If I call a busy number a flash no longer hangs up, it gives me a three-way dialtone that you can not dial on. This is really irritating to have something radically change when you order one little service. Anyone else have a simular experience with radical changes in Custom Calling services when ordering a CLASS service? *69 doesn't even work on three way calling, which is really stupid. It works at a friend's house when she's on the phone and gets a call waiting call, she can call them back on three way. Its irritating enough for me to want to cancel the callback service. I'll give telco a chance to address my concerns, but I get the feeling they will blow me off. I had a problem when this DMS-100 was new in 1986 with three-way calling never clearing the line when I hung up on it. I could have ten five hour calls to a busy number I was redialing in California on three way (with Allnet, remember they used to bill for a call if it was over x number of seconds, even when busy). It took three years of moaning and complaining to get this problem fixed. C-UseNet V0.55c Ronald Kushner P.O. Box 353 Sterling Heights, MI 48311-0353 rkushner@sycom.mi.org [Moderator's Note: One of the changes people have to get used to with any special service which uses a switchhook flash in the sequence is that flashing no longer will clear the line as before. Three way calling is the main culprit here. But I am surprised it is taking you that long to clear the line when in the middle of a misdialed number. IBT has it set up so you cannot access three-way until after the first call has at least gotten set up. That is, during the dialing of digits, a flash is taken as a hangup. It is only taken to mean a flash when the first call is in progress. *69 should work on three way calls as a response to a call waiting signal not answered unless by chance the number itself is not reachable through Callback (that is, out of LATA or somehow unidentifiable by your CO). Then *69 won't work under any conditions. As for 72# vs. *72 or 1172, it sounds to me like you could be getting some centrex features (Premier service?) on the line. When I had Starline from IBT, we had to use 72# instead of *72, but we could dial straight through the stutter tone without waiting. You might want to ask the Business Office exactly what all is on your line; the features by name, etc. You might be surprised. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 01:15:14 PST From: Nigel Roberts 26-Feb-1992 1007 Subject: How to Win Customers and Influence People The following item is taken from Monday's {Guardian}. The same story also appeared in a number of other British newspapers on Monday. BRITISH TELECOM FAILS TO ENGAGE ITS WATCHDOG ----------------------- Financial Staff ----------------------- When OFTEL, the telephone watchdog, asked British Telecom for a new switchboard, it received a swift reply: sorry, but we can't supply it in time. OFTEL, the Office of Telecommunications, had invited quotations from five contractors, including BT's rival, Mercury. The department needs a new switchboard to cater for up to 350 extensions at its base in Ludgate Hill, central London. OFTEL says the system must be installed by the end of March. A spokesman for OFTEL said: "We have just had a note from British Telecom, saying that they cannot do the job in the time we wanted. We want to replace the switchboard -- it's not a massive system." A spokesman for British Telecom said: "We would treat OFTEL like we would treat any other customer. The time taken to install a system depends very much on the individual job." A spokesman for Mercury said it could do the job within the time span. --------- Nigel Roberts +44 206 396610 / +49 6103 383-489 FAX +44 206 393148 ------------------------------ From: steven@enel.ucalgary.ca (Steven Leikeim) Subject: Elevator Phone Spooked Man Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 12:47:31 MST Seen in the {Calgary Herald}, Jan 26, 1992. Canadian Press, Edmonton Somewhere in this city, there's a man who was nearly driven crazy by a security telephone in an elevator that automatically dialed his home number each time it rose past the fifth floor. Every time the man picked up the phone, there was silence on the other end. After receiving persistent calls from the elevator's malfunctioning phone, the man thought someone was out to get him, says Phil Brooks, security manager for Edmonton Telephones Corp. "The elevator was in a hotel, so you can imagine how many times that would go off when it passes the fifth floor." The man was relieved when the city-owned phone utility traced the calls to the elevator. Steven Leikeim Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering University of Calgary Calgary, Alberta [Moderator's Note: Did anyone say why this was occurring? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Subject: Nynex, Vintage 1980 or 1970? Date: Wed 26 Feb 1992 15:11 -0500 I got the diskettes for Nynex Northeast Access. The service is actually Minitel with Nynex Northeast Access as one of the gatewayed services. It is a repeat of the earlier Infolook serivce except with some more colors. The service itself predates the concept of a personal computer and is tuned for slow terminals (2400bps) for slow people with keys like [next] and [send]. F10 is the help key and F1 is the Index key, for example. Far from the developing PC standards. Luckily I was able to run it in a DOS window so that I didn't have to give up my entire system to the service. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #173 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa16068; 27 Feb 92 4:02 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA04040 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Thu, 27 Feb 1992 01:52:31 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA12387 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Thu, 27 Feb 1992 01:52:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 01:52:18 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202270752.AA12387@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #174 TELECOM Digest Thu, 27 Feb 92 01:52:16 CST Volume 12 : Issue 174 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Review: Telecomunications Magazine - February, 1992 Issue (Jack Decker) Telecom Manufacturing in Montreal (Nigel Allen) Silly AT&T ROA Commercial! (Toby Nixon) Problem With Panasonic Phone (Roger Cornelius) Bitnet/Internet in Scotland, and Maybe Ireland (Jason Childers) Name Game in the CIS (Jason Childers) Caller-ID Company (John Huffman) CLID to a PBX; Alternatives to ISDN PRA? (Francois Truchon) Exactly What Was Carterfone? (Joshua E. Muskovitz) Credit Verification Hints Needed (John Boteler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 16:09:50 CST From: Jack Decker Subject: Review: Telecommunications Magazine - February, 1992 Issue I've been getting {Telecommunications Magazine} for a while now, and generally there's not a whole lot in it that's of any real interest to me. This month (February, 1992) was an exception. There were several articles and news items that might be of more than passing interest to readers of the Digest. Here's a brief synopsis of some of those items: * US Sprint to provide commercialized Internet service. According to the article, there are two major players in this field -- Advanced Network and Services (ANS, the creation of IBM, MCI, and Merit), and the Commercial Internet Exchange (CIX, which includes Performance Systems International, UUNET Technologies, and General Atomics). US Sprint has joined the latter organization as of January 2, 1992. This means that MCI and Sprint are in the two opposing camps. The article gives further details on Sprint's participation in the project, marketing and availability, etc. (pg. 7) * "The New York Public Service Commission has opened the door to the unbundling of basic phone services under its jurisdiction. The move will place both New York and Chicago at the vanguard of regulatory progress in the area of local exchange competition." (pg. 7) Wonder if that means that Pat can get local dial tone from someone other than Illinois Bell soon? * McCaw Cellular, Oracle to Develop Data Broadcast - the idea is apparently to develop and test new high-speed (56 kbps to 2Mpbs) data broadcasting technology. Experimental trials will likely be in the 1.85 to 1.99 GHz band. (pg. 11) * A news brief entitled "'Shotgun' callers beware" reports that on November 7 the Senate approved two bills that would protect us from the telesleaze (my words ... actually, the bills address "unwanted telemarketing and automated solicitation calls"). The bills are S.1410 and S.1462, and the latter prohibits the making of unsolicited automated marketing calls to homes, emergency phones, cellular phones, and paging systems, and also addresses "junk faxes." (p. 17) * A feature article by Alfred C. Sikes, chairman of the FCC, where he shares his views on various regulatory issues including ONA, local exchange competition, long distance, marketplace fairness, and network reliability. The comments on local competition are very interesting, and would lead me to believe that the FCC is getting ready to look at the issue seriously. Initially they'll be focusing on special access, but Mr. Sikes adds that "we are also seeking further information on switched access, and expanded interconnection opportunities with local telephone facilities are likely to enlarge the universe of customers who can be served by the new competitive entrants and the scope of phone company offerings subject to competition." (article starts on pg. 19) * A feature article by Royce J. Holland, president and CEO of Metropolitan Fiber Systems, entitled "Competitive Local Communications: The New Landscape." If you are among those who think local competition can come none too soon, this article holds out the hope that it may indeed happen in the '90's. One interesting statistic in the article is that although the local phone companies claim they are losing billions of dollars to bypass, competitive access providers actually have a market share of less that 0.2 percent of the $90 billion local communications market. (starts on pg. 23) One paragraph from the article may be of particular interest to Digest readers: "Of equal significance [to recent actions by the FCC and New York Public Service Commission], Congressman Jim Cooper of Tennessee recently introduced a bill before the House Commerce and Energy Committee that would require further local tariff unbundling, number portability, and market share tests as the quid pro quo for BOC entry into content-based information services in their own service territories. Terry Barnich, chairman of the Illinois Commerce Commission, proposed a telecommunications free-trade zone in downtown Chicago, where regulatory barriers to entry would be removed for all local communications services. The Cooper Bill and the Barnich Proposal are significant because the benefits of local competition would be extended to residential as well as business customers, in effect creating a competitive local environment for a broad range of services and customers. Although the regulatory events of last year are promising, perhaps even a harbinger of things to come, the forces of local competition today still face significant regulatory barriers." * A feature article on the Future of the Public Switched Network by Kent F. Foster, president of GTE telephone operations group. (starts on pg. 29) * A special supplement entitled "Global Internet", which among other things contains articles on "The significance and Impact of the Commercial Internet" and "Scenarios for Internet Commercialization". * An article entitled "New Frontiers in Wireless Communications", which talks about cellular, public packet radio, and personal communications networks. A table provides a comparison of five different types of PCN handsets (frequency, power, methods of operation, etc.). (starts on pg. 65) This is by far the most interesting issue of this magazine that I've seen to date. I think many university libraries carry {Telecommunications}, so you may want to check there if you don't receive it personally. Note that I get the North American Edition -- if you live elsewhere in the world, I have no idea if the same articles appear in your edition, or whether they're on the same pages. Jack Decker jack@myamiga.mixcom.com FidoNet 1:154/8 ------------------------------ From: Nigel Allen Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 19:00:00 -0500 Subject: Telecom Manufacturing in Montreal Organization: Echo Beach, Toronto The Montreal Urban Community ran a full-page advertisement in {Telecommunications} magazine suggesting that telecommunications manufacturers consider locating in Montreal. (The MUC is a metropolitan municipal government which includes the City of Montreal and the other municipalities on the island of Montreal. Think of it as a county government.) The ad says that Montreal's "well-established, growing electronics and telecommunications industry is now home to 470 companies, with a skilled workforce 29,000 strong." As well, Montreal-area universities do a lot of telecommunications research, much of it funded by Northern Telecom, and Universite du Quebec's INRS research institute has a pretty impressive telecommunications lab on Nuns' Island. While interesting things are happening in the high-technology sector, low-technology manufacturing is running into severe problems throughout Canada and in Montreal in particular. (The ad doesn't mention this.) The decline of low-tech manufacturing can be blamed on obsolete Montreal factories, the elimination of tariff barriers and access to lower-cost labor outside Canada. I was born in Montreal, although I now live in Toronto. If you would like more information about investing in Montreal, call (514) 280-4242 (voice) or fax (514) 280-4266. Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044 ------------------------------ From: Toby Nixon Subject: Silly AT&T ROA Commercial! Date: 26 Feb 92 13:14:37 GMT Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA Normally I ignore IXC commercials on TV, but this weekend for some reason I paid attention to AT&T's advertisement for Reach Out America. I'm talking about the one that has the husband call for information, turn the phone over to the wife who orders the service and the husband says "Who do we call?" at the end -- you know the one I'm talking about. What struck me is that there is a silly inconsistency in this ad, and I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed it. The AT&T telemarketer asks the guy to "Tell me about how you use long distance", and the guy says "Well, we make long distance calls all day long." But then a few seconds later we see, a couple of different times, a shot of their phone bill -- and their total AT&T charge is $11.26. $11.26? and they "make long distance calls all day long"? Give me a break! Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-840-9200 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | BBS +1-404-446-6336 AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon Fido 1:114/15 USA | Internet tnixon@hayes.com [Moderator's Note: Yeah, but he didn't say how they pay for those long distance calls 'all day long'. Maybe they are husband and wife phreaks, and they use those phunny boxes or something. The eleven dollars represents the ones they had to pay for. :) PAT] ------------------------------ From: rac@sherpa.uucp (Roger Cornelius) Subject: Problem With Panasonic Phone Organization: Personal System Computing :-) Gulfport, FL Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1992 19:51:27 GMT I have a Panasonic Easa-Phone two line speakerphone model KX-T3155. This phone requires three AA batteries to operate the line-in-use lights and the LCD display. One line is my voice line and the other is my data line. My data-line is almost constantly in use, causing the in-use light for that line to stay on. This in turn causes the batteries to drain fairly rapidly. When the batteries get low, the LCD display goes blank and the keypad on the phone completely locks up. There's no way to dial without replacing the batteries. This is a pain in the butt. Is there any easy trick to disable the in-use light for the data line so as to conserve the batteries? I've taken the thing apart and prefer not to do anything to the internal circuitry. I also prefer to leave both phones cords attached to the phone, i.e. unplugging the data line from the phone isn't an option. I appreciate any suggestions. Roger Cornelius rac@sherpa.UUCP ...!uunet!sherpa!rac ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 92 11:23:00 EST From: childeja@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU (Jason Childers) Subject: Bitnet/Internet in Scotland, and Maybe Ireland Are there any Bitnet or Internet channels (stations?) going to Aberdeen University in Aberdeen, Scotland? And are there any in the Dublin (Baile Atha Cliath) area, such as to Trinity University or University College as well as others? It would be greatly appreciated if someone could point me in the right direction, since over here at U. of Dayton, everyone just give me blank looks just for asking for a directory where I could look for one. Thank you so much. Jason Childers ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 92 11:50:00 EST From: childeja@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU (Jason Childers) Subject: Name Game in the CIS Now that the Soviet Union (USSR, CCCP) is non-existent, the republics have decided to change the names of some of their cities back to their pre-Soviet titles. Here is a list of names which {Time Magazine} published last month, some of which are stated in the Telecom Archives file ZONE.7 as having city codes: Old name New Name Code Leninakan, Armenia Kumayri Kirovabad, Azerbaijan Gyandzha Minsk, Byelorussia Mensk, Belarus 7 017 Gegechkori, Georgia Martvili Makharadze, Georgia Ozurgeti Ordzhonikidze, Georgia Kharagouli Tsakhaya, Georgia Senaki Tsulukidze, Georgia Khoni Frunze, Kirghizia Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan 7 331 Rybachye, Kirghizia Issyk-Kul, Kyrgyzstan Moldavia Moldova Andropov, Russia Rybinsk Brezhnev, Russia Naberezhnye Chelny Chernenko, Russia Sharypovo Georgiu-Dezh, Russia Liski Gorky, Russia Nizhni Novgorod 7 831 Kirov, Russia Vyatka 7 833 Kuibyshev, Russia Samara Kalinin Tver Leningrad, Russia St Petersburg 7 812 Ordzhonikidze, Russia Vladikarkaz Sverdlovsk, Russia Yekaterinburg 7 343 Ustinov, Russia Izhevsk Voroshilovgrad, Russia Lugansk Zagorsk, Russia Sergiev Posad Lvov, The Ukraine Lviv, Ukraine 7 032 Zhdanov, The Ukraine Mariupol, Ukraine Any edits and amendments would be appreciated. Does anybody know if Kaliningrad (the little oblast north of Poland and west of either Estonia or Lithuania (sorry, don't have a map next to me)) is going back to being known as Ko:ningsburg? Jason Childers ------------------------------ From: enforcer@buhub.bradley.edu (John Huffman) Subject: Caller-ID Company Organization: Bradley University Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 03:33:45 GMT There is a company called International Micropower Corp. The address is: 3305 W. Spring Mountain Road, Suite 60 Las Vegas, NV 89102 They claim to be the world's only supplier of hobby kits for Caller-ID. They come 39.95 for the kit or 45.50 for an assembled and tested version. They also sell software and other parts for Caller-ID boxes. They also sell books about Caller-ID data formats, waveforms, frequencies and other things. enforcer@bucc1.bradley.edu enforcer@buhub.bradley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 18:44:25 EST From: francois%corona.UUCP%bnrmtl.UUCP@Larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (F Truchon) Subject: CLID to a PBX; Alternatives to ISDN PRA? Hi everyone, I'm looking for info on how to configure PBX access trunks so we can obtain the CLID (Calling Line ID). We have a NT Meridian 1 (SL1) to which we can feed ISDN PRA. This would definitely give us the CLID. The problem is that we don't know when (and if) ISDN will be available on the CO side so I'm looking for alternatives to ISDN. I've heard something about a T1 interface that can transmit the CLID/ANI, can anyone comment? How about a CCS7 trunk, is that possible at all? Can someone explain the difference between CLID and ANI. Are they just two different names for the same thing or is there more to it? Thanks, Francois Truchon Bell-Northern Research, Montreal, Canada uucp: bnrmtl!francois@Larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU [Moderator's Note: CLID and ANI are not the same thing even though the result they yield (delivery of the calling number to the called party) is the same. I'm assuming others will write you in email with more specifics and help for your application. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 10:15:02 EST From: "Joshua E. Muskovitz" Subject: Exactly What Was Carterfone? Could someone explain the term "Carterfone" clearly and concisely? josh (rocker@vnet.ibm.com) ------------------------------ From: John Boteler Subject: Credit Verification Hints Needed Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 2:29:11 EST gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote: X-Original-Subject: Re: AT&T No Longer Billing For Bogus 800 Gordon Burditt included this text: >> I have been instrumental in setting up some 800 number ordering >> systems that are able to use credit flexibility that has heretofore >> never existed. One of the key elements is the verification of the >> simple matter of the caller being who he claims to be. If the and continued ... > If you use the ANI information for verification only, (and later > tracking down of deadbeats) and sufficient billing information comes Could the person who wrote the quoted text concerning verification schemes using 800 ANI info please email bote@access.digex.com to discuss this further. In fact, anybody with experience in this area may do so. I am currently going around in circles since the carriers don't seem to really know what they offer. Strange :) bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) NCN Skinny => 703.241.BARE Club updates, events, and info ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #174 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa23537; 28 Feb 92 2:25 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA24677 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 28 Feb 1992 00:09:35 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA19242 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 28 Feb 1992 00:09:19 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 00:09:19 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202280609.AA19242@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #175 TELECOM Digest Fri, 28 Feb 92 00:09:18 CST Volume 12 : Issue 175 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground (Robert S. Helfman) Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground (John Rice) Re: Phone Service to Cuba (Tony Harminc) Re: Phone Service to Cuba (John R. Covert) Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary (Peter da Silva) Re: Looking For a KSU a Bit Bigger Than a Panasonic (John Boteler) Re: Chicago Traffic Monitoring (Ronald T. Crocker) Re: What Areas Still Have X-Bar and SxS? (John Rice) Re: 800 Number Published in Cartoon (Bill Nickless) Re: 911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls From Payphones) (Paul S. Sawyer) Re: Phones Rattle and Hum in U2 Ticket Rush (Carl Moore) Re: CLASS Serivces Interfering With Other Custom Call Services (S Forrette) Re: Silly AT&T ROA Commercial! (Max Rochlin) Re: Silly AT&T ROA Commercial! (Robert J. Woodhead) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) Subject: Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1992 05:24:33 GMT In article roscom!monty@uunet.UU.NET (Monty Solomon) writes: > A couple of months ago I was on a flight from Boston to SFO on United > and had a long delay before departure. There was a lawyer sitting > behind me who was having several lengthly cellular phone conversations > with parties in California and was asked by a flight attendant to > terminate the conversation so that we could take off. His cellular > phone was somehow interferring with the plane's communication and/or > navigation systems. HIS cellular phone? It's interesting that the flight attendants never seem to stop anyone who is using the "Airfone" facilities on board! Of course, the airline is getting a cut of the profits from Airfone. And they're not getting zip from the lawyer's own phone, esconced, I presume, in his briefcase. ------------------------------ From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com Subject: Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 21:16:34 GMT In article , allen@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG (Allen Gwinn) writes: > In article roscom!monty@uunet.UU.NET > (Monty Solomon) writes: > A couple of months ago I was on a flight from Boston to SFO on United > and had a long delay before departure. There was a lawyer sitting > behind me who was having several lengthly cellular phone conversations > with parties in California and was asked by a flight attendant to > terminate the conversation so that we could take off. His cellular > phone was somehow interferring with the plane's communication and/or > navigation systems. > Speaking as a pilot, I have never seen a cellular phone that > interferes with any aircraft navigation equipment. My guess is that > they told him that he was interfering with communications just to get > him to hang up. Also speaking as a pilot ... cell phones operate in the 800-900mhz spectrum. Radar Transponders operate around 1000mhz and have fairly broad banded receivers. It's not inconcievable that the phone was getting into the transponder. Not to mention the fact that it's illegal to use a cell phone from an aircraft in the air (be the aircraft commercial or private -- still illegal). John Rice K9IJ MY opinion only, no one elses...Especially rice@ttd.teradyne.com Not my Employers.... (708)-940-9000 - (work) (708)-438-7011 - (home) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 00:38:03 EST From: Tony Harminc Subject: Re: Phone Service to Cuba John R. Covert wrote: > The case with Cuba has nothing unique about it. It is just as illegal > for someone in Canada to route calls from the U.S. to Cuba as it would > be for someone in the U.S. to route calls from Canada to England > (saving about $1.00 per minute, I might add). This seems a little hard to believe. The current prime-time rate to the UK from Canada is 1.65/1.10 (first minute/additional minutes). Night rates are 1.16/.77. These are "rack rates" -- if you deal directly with Teleglobe and have a minimum monthly billing of $500, the prime time rate is about .68/minute. Add to this the cost of the Canada/US call and it's very hard to see how anyone is going to save $1/minute unless US/UK rates are .65/.10 . And of course these are CAD figures -- expressed in USD they would be about 15% less. Teleglobe recently had an intriguing set of ads. The first said that Teleglobe has the lowest overseas rates in North America. There is a little chart showing rates for AT&T, U.S. Sprint, and Teleglobe for a "3.5 minute business call" to various countries. A week or so later the same chart appeared but with the heading changed to "some of the lowest rates ...". Tony H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 02:55:21 PST From: John R. Covert 26-Feb-1992 0551 Subject: Re: Phone Service to Cuba I'm glad to hear that the the current prime-time rate from Canada to the U.K. is now 1.65/1.10. The last time I priced it (about four years ago), it was over $2.00/minute. From the U.S. it's 1.44/.94. Add 15% tax to the Canadian price, and 3%-8%, depending on the state, to the U.S. price. /john ------------------------------ From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Oregon PUC Hearing Summary Organization: Taronga Park BBS Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1992 13:02:39 GMT In article walter@halcyon.com writes: > Now, if we are dealing with FidoNet and sharing of expenses by > SysOps: Are you or would you then support the notion that a FidoNet > HUB must resign him/herself to paying business rates simply because > he/she is compensated for the cost of forwarding mail into FidoNet at > whatever cost? Yes. People who charge ("sharing costs") to forward Usenet do. Peter da Silva. Taronga Park BBS. +1 713 568 0480|1032 2400/n/8/1. ------------------------------ From: John Boteler Subject: Re: Looking For a KSU a Bit Bigger Than a Panasonic Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 2:33:37 EST I have heard rumors of the new Panasonic 7000 series and others about the 'demise' of the KX-T616. May I assume that the entire line of 308, 616, and 1232 is going to go bye-bye and be replaced by a single 7000 series KSU which you plug up with cards until you reach your desired goal? I really like the (formerly) current line of three, so I hope this doesn't screw up a good thing. Please elaborate on this as much as possible, as I wish to be an informed buyer very soon now, and this info has put the brakes on. Thanx! bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) NCN Skinny => 703.241.BARE Club updates, events, and info ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 09:29:40 CST From: motcid!gold!news@uunet.uu.net From: crocker@rtsg.mot.com (Ronald T. Crocker) Subject: Re: Chicago Traffic Monitoring Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1992 15:29:32 GMT One of the interesting side-effects of having passive sensors is that when traffic is completely stopped (as it was when we had 8" of snow between 1 and 5 pm on day a couple of years ago), the system reports that there are no delays! Ron Crocker Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group (708) 632-4752 [FAX: (708) 632-4430] crocker@mot.com ------------------------------ From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com Subject: Re: What Areas Still Have X-Bar and SxS? Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 21:07:40 GMT In article , whknight@sdf.LoneStar.ORG writes: > Also, I would like to ask the readership of this fine journal of > ideas, if any of them have and would be able to supply me with a list > of area codes, still on X-Bar or SxS switching. There is no such list of "area codes". All area codes are a mix of switch technology, from Digital to SXS and all in between. At this point of time, I doubt that you would find an SXS switch in any Urban area with greater than 5000 population. They still exist, but mostly in sparse rural locations with fewer than 1000 subscribers/switch. X-Bar is about the same. Since the FCC mandated equal access, electro-mechanical switching has been replaced by digital in most areas of any size, since the economics of adding equal access hardware to electrical-mechanical switches is prohibitively expensive. John Rice K9IJ "Did I say that ?" I must have, but It was rice@ttd.teradyne.com MY opinion only, no one elses...Especially (708)-940-9000 - (work) Not my Employers.... (708)-438-7011 - (home) ------------------------------ From: nickless@shark.mcs.anl.gov (Bill Nickless) Subject: Re: 800 Number Published in Cartoon Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago, Illinois Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 04:08:29 GMT In article covert@covert.enet.dec.com (John R. Covert 23-Feb-1992 1626) writes: > If 100,000 readers called it to see what it was, I suspect it cost > Jerry's campaign on the order of $10,000. Do you think it got him > that much in contributions? WBEZ, the local NPR radio station here in Chicago called that number last Friday night. According to the operator that was answering the phones, they were indeed doing quite well. (For Chicago listeners -- WBEZ, 91.5 FM, 9 PM Friday night is the Wild Room, where a couple of the local public radio personalities have an hour of airtime to do with as they choose. Quite eclectic, but often fun to hear.) Bill Nickless System Support Group +1 708 252 7390 ------------------------------ From: paul@unhtel.unh.edu (Paul S. Sawyer) Subject: Re: 911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) Organization: UNH Telecommunications and Network Services Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 17:31:41 GMT In article 71336.1270@CompuServe.COM (tim gorman) writes: > pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard KA9WGN / I am the NRA) writes in TELECOM > Digest V12 #167: >> Why is it that the E911 system cannot use the callers number as an >> index to determine which agency to route the call to? > The Moderator notes: >> [Moderator's Note: I don't know why IBT can't do it. I have heard of >> other places where calls to 911 can be sorted down to the last four >> digits using a data base. In fact we've had articles here about it, >> although the implication was the data base was not very accurate much >> of the time, leading to delays in firemen arriving, etc. PAT] > The software feature to provide this ability using ESN's (Emergency > Switch Numbers, I think) is expensive. Switches are normally designed > to route on called number not calling number. Special software is > needed for this. It SOUNDS simple enough -- when we dial "1" now, the switch knows whether to deliver the call to AT&T, MCI, or XYZ depending on a predefined carrier choice; why not similar "choices" when we dial "911"? > Even worse is the administrative cost to keep the routing data base > updated. Telephone company systems are established to identify the > wire center associated with an address, not an emergency agency. > Telephone numbers are assigned by wire center not emergency agency so > they cannot be used to differentiate. Thus, in order to add a new line > someone has to spend time working with the governmental agencies to > establish where calls should be routed. Then someone has to put this > in the switch which I am not sure our mechanized systems can handle, > so you get more administrative costs. When an account is established, the Telco knows the service address; Town lines do not often change, and the delivery point for each town (PSAP) would not change often either; ("slamming" by rival emergency service providers should also be minimal :-) There are about six towns on one exchange nearby where 911 confusion is a problem, so setting up for at MOST six emergency service providers would be like setting up for six long distance carriers. The towns would be likely to cooperate in ironing out bugs in a scheme like this, whereas the town with 911 now does not want to (nor should it have to) answer calls for the other five towns on an ongoing basis. > Bottom line, most emergency agencies don't want to pay the rates for > this capability. Because of political concerns, they also don't do a > good job of coordinating among political entities. With the PSAP > equipment available today, it really should be easy to install a > remote printer at the other PSAP to print the call details out on, and > a ringdown voice circuit to bridge the two agencies resulting in > delays of only seconds. The Telco's solution here is to try to sell an overblown, statewide E911 system which would add a level of complexity, personnel, and expense to the existing systems here. Could this be another reason that they deride simpler solutions? Paul S. Sawyer - University of New Hampshire CIS - paul@unhtel.unh.edu Telecommunications and Network Services - VOX: +1 603 862 3262 Durham, New Hampshire 03824-3523 - FAX: +1 603 862 2030 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 92 9:50:22 EST From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) Subject: Re: Phones Rattle and Hum in U2 Ticket Rush This is getting outside the range of telecom, but I'll take issue with "haven't heard the term U2 since the Second World War". There was the U2 incident (in 1960), in which Francis Gary Powers was shot down over the USSR. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 11:52:52 pst From: Steve Forrette Subject: Re: CLASS Serivces Interfering With Other Custom Calling Services Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA In article Ronald Kushner writes: > Even myself, hitting 72# I have to wait for the stutter > dialtone to become solid before dialing, its just not an autodialer > problem, I'm too quick myself. > [Moderator's Note: > When I had Starline from IBT, we had to use 72# instead of *72, but we > could dial straight through the stutter tone without waiting. Regarding being able to dial through the stutter dialtone, my experience has been that this works on a 1AESS and 5ESS, but not on a DMS-100. I think your different experiences are related more to your switch types rather than the options you have enabled. Also, the stuttering on the DMS-100 is actually the busy signal frequency pair, whereas it's really the dialtone sound on the ESS's. Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com ------------------------------ From: gupta!max@uunet.uu.net (Max Rochlin) Subject: Re: Silly AT&T ROA Commercial! Organization: Gupta Technologies Inc Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 20:22:29 GMT In article tnixon@hayes.com (Toby Nixon) writes: > What struck me is that there is a silly inconsistency in this ad, and > I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed it. The AT&T telemarketer > asks the guy to "Tell me about how you use long distance", and the guy > says "Well, we make long distance calls all day long." But then a few > seconds later we see, a couple of different times, a shot of their > phone bill -- and their total AT&T charge is $11.26. > $11.26? and they "make long distance calls all day long"? Give me a > break! The reason for this is that, according to the comercial, "If you make more than eleven dollars of long distance calls ROA can help save you money." Now lets see, it costs $6.00 to switch to ATT, so if they average 11.25 a month in calls it'll take this couple TWO YEARS to realize any savings using ROA. Hmmmm. max@gupta.com Max J. Rochlin max@queernet.org ------------------------------ From: trebor@foretune.co.jp (Robert J Woodhead) Subject: Re: Silly AT&T ROA Commercial! Organization: Foretune Co., Ltd. Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:39:01 GMT tnixon@hayes.com (Toby Nixon) writes: > $11.26? and they "make long distance calls all day long"? Give me a > break! Call up AT&T and demand to be given the "all-day-long for 11.26 a month" ROA plan! When they say no, threaten to go to the FCC, BBB, CIA, NSA and LMNOP with your complaints. Could be worth a laugh ... Robert J. Woodhead, Biar Games / AnimEigo, Incs. trebor@foretune.co.jp ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #175 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa25367; 28 Feb 92 3:08 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA06177 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 28 Feb 1992 00:51:41 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA08043 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 28 Feb 1992 00:51:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 00:51:30 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202280651.AA08043@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #176 TELECOM Digest Fri, 28 Feb 92 00:51:28 CST Volume 12 : Issue 176 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: Area Code Splits and Telco Error Messages (John Higdon) Re: Area Code Splits and Telco Error Messages (Steve Forrette) Re: `00': A Single European International Dialing Code (Rop Gonggrijp) Re: Problem With Panasonic Phone (Tim Irvin) Re: Texas Politics and the Phone (Bill Warner) Re: Caller-ID Company (Lane A. Robert) Re: Looking For Information on Two Mystery Modems (Maxime Taksar) Re: Bitnet/Internet in Scotland, and Maybe Ireland (Robert L. McMillin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 01:51 PST From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon) Reply-To: John Higdon Organization: Green Hills and Cows Subject: Re: Area Code Splits and Telco Error Messages Steve Forrette writes: > Now come on folks, is this really that hard to get right? I truely > believe that the wording that Sprint and MCI use will only lead to > further dialing mistakes by those unfamiliar with area code splits. For the past month or so, I have been involved with the various long distance companies on a major scale. Not only have I been working with the various technical departments at those companies, but have heard countless anecdotes from administrators for some larger business installations. After all these years, and with all the hoopla, there is still really only one long distance company. I am talking here about real industrial long distance; not the service you use at home to talk to Aunt Minnie. Residence and small business IXC service is something anyone with a switch can provide. Sprint and MCI STILL treat long distance service as if it were cans of tomatoes. If you are a major MCI customer, you can wait days to get a technical problem fixed. In the meantime you are told how the problem is at your end. Sprint cannot get its billing straight to save its life. This is not to say that AT&T is perfect. To be honest, AT&T is not really interested in your company unless you can fill at least two T1s with constant traffic. When you get to that size, then you start getting the famous red carpet technical treatment. One of my clients has finally broken that threshold and has given MCI the boot. In short, the company outgrew MCI and became AT&T material. What was wrong with MCI? Constant outages, for one. The entire T-span would go down for days. Another problem was call setup time. It typically took more than six seconds to set up a call once the outpulsing into the MCI trunk was completed. (The same calls made on the new AT&T trunks take less than 0.5 second to complete.) By the time extra technicians were paid overtime to work with MCI on a regular basis to fix problems, any savings were more than swallowed up. Sprint may be better than MCI technically, but its billing is so bogus that until that company can convince me that it has its act together, I will never recommend it again to a client. It has been years since people started noticing this problem and it has never been fixed. This past month has convinced me that AT&T's competition has still got some ways to go before it can be taken seriously. For small applications (say one T-span), both Sprint and MCI can greatly undercut AT&T. They are both very hungry and will eat the T1 costs even if your business only uses several channels in the span. AT&T will not even talk to you if you are not ready to pack all twenty-four channels. But when you finally reach this size, then there is no other choice than AT&T -- at least not if you rely on your telephone service. This is interesting considering how AT&T's competition is constantly reminding us of the fact that their networks are the "latest and greatest". Indeed, a week ago I visited the MCI switch in Rialto, CA. This is the crossroads of the network in the west and handles all of the area traffic from GTE. (Pac*Bell traffic is handled at the Compton switch.) It was all very impressive and much more modern "looking" than the 4E I visited at the AT&T facility in San Francisco. But results are what count. If you are a major customer and want reliable, fast, and accurately-billed service, you have one choice. And please note: I am only speaking of major business service here. I am sure you Sprint and MCI residence and small business customers are very happy. And why not? Providing service at this level is VERY easy to do. But twenty-four or more dedicated trunks for business? That is another matter, apparently. John Higdon | P. O. Box 7648 | +1 408 723 1395 john@zygot.ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | M o o ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 11:44:20 pst From: Steve Forrette Subject: Re: Area Code Splits and Telco Error Messages Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA In article I write: > I think the wording of the recordings is quite indicative of the > general character of the IXC's: > AT&T: "The area code for the number you have dialed has been changed > to 510." Sprint, MCI: "The area code you have dialed has been changed > to 510." I think this is the first time I've followed up on my own article. It has been pointed out to me that I was unfair in criticizing the latter IXC's for not having accurate intercepts. This is obviously the result of the pre-divestiture advantage that AT&T enjoys. If it weren't for this advantage, the other carriers would be able to have accurate intercepts as well! Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com [Moderator's Note: It is not clear to me what divestiture has to do with someone speaking into a microphone and saying one phrase or another. Can't they record whatever message they like? Or did I edit out a smiley in your message somewhere in error? PAT] ------------------------------ From: rop@hacktic.nl (Rop Gonggrijp) Subject: Re: `00': A Single European International Dialing Code Date: 27 Feb 92 18:27:5 GMT Organization: Hack-Tic Magazine A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk (Drew Radtke @ University of Bradford, UK) once wrote ... > There are currently seven different international codes within the EC: > Belgium, Germany, Greece, Italy, Portual and Luxembourg already use > the '00' code. All other member states use different codes: 009 in > Denmark, 07 in Spain, 19 in France, 010 in the UK, 16 in Ireland and > 09 in the Netherlands. The Netherlands have already moved their other stuff away from 00, and they could start using 00 soon (and they will). Time recording was 002, weather 003, business office 004, mobile-operator (long time ago) was 005, internal test numbers were at 006X, 007 was customer service and information was 008. Other (more obsurce) ones like telex-service, and postal info were at 001X. They were all moved to the 06 exchange, whcih handles all special traffic, including pagers and mobile phones, keeping them from wasting POTS numbering space. Intereting note: 008 (information) used to be free from payphones, even though metering pulses were generated. So all the phones know not to take money when 008 is dialed. What happens if 00 becomes interna- tional access? Simple, we can make free calls to Inmarsat (87X) for months before TPC gets around to fixing the bug. I'm willing to bet a lot of money they'll forget! Inmarsat calls cost 18 guilders (about US$ 10) a minute! Rop Gonggrijp (rop@hacktic.nl), editor of | fax: +31 20 6900968 Hack-Tic Magazine (only on paper, only in Dutch) | VMB: +31 20 6001480 ------------------------------ Reply-To: irvin@northstar.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Problem With Panasonic Phone Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 10:50:17 +22322538 From: irvin@betelgeuse.dartmouth.edu In TELECOM Digest V12 #174, rac@sherpa.uucp (Roger Cornelius) writes: > I have a Panasonic Easa-Phone two line speakerphone model KX-T3155. > This phone requires three AA batteries to operate the line-in-use > lights and the LCD display. One line is my voice line and the other > is my data line. > My data-line is almost constantly in use, causing the in-use light for > that line to stay on. This in turn causes the batteries to drain > fairly rapidly. When the batteries get low, the LCD display goes > blank and the keypad on the phone completely locks up. There's no way > to dial without replacing the batteries. This is a pain in the butt. > Is there any easy trick to disable the in-use light for the data line > so as to conserve the batteries? I have this same phone (I think it is the same -- don't remember the exact model number right now), and had the same problem. I bought an AC adapter and plugged the phone into the wall. I left the batteries in so if there was a power failure things still worked. I didn't really have the problem of the keypad locking, but the speaker phone wouldn't work and the LCD would go blank. Hope that helps. Tim Irvin ------------------------------ From: WARNER@OHIO.GOV (Bill Warner) Subject: Re: Texas Politics and the Phone Date: 27 Feb 92 12:43:36 EST Organization: The Ohio Data Network In article , ADBLU001@CCSUVM1.BITNET (Mark Earle) writes: > Ah, politics. Serious doubts are raised in my mind about privacy, > etc. It seems these days that telco records of calls are all to easily > obtainable if one has "clout". And they want to detail all calls with > metered calling? I hope that doesn't come to pass! It may not be as bad as this. In Ohio, the Ohio Public Record Act makes most records public information. In the case of a phone bill, it would be a public record as soon as the State of Ohio gets it. Public Records, in most cases there are a few exceptions, are open for inspection by anyone during regular working hours. Copies can be made, but the State can charge the requester for the State's cost to make these copies. So if the calls were long distance they would be available to the public. We, The State of Ohio Office of Telecommunications, often respond to requests for the phone bills of various officials (Usually when they are in the limelight for something.) If the official has phone services directly from a phone company the bills would still be public information but the official themselves would be responsible to respond to the public records act request. In the past, some elected officials would get "WATS" type services that did not provide call details for this reason. This is not currently possible using the State of Ohio Phone Network (SONIC) since we do our own long distance switching so we need the call detail to bill back to the various agencies we serve. Just an aside, if you ever have trouble getting information from the State of Ohio or one of its subdivisions, the words "Public Records Act" carry a tremendous weight. For more information on Ohio's "right to know" laws including the Sunshine Laws and Public Records Act contact Ohio's Attourney General (614 466 4320) and and ask for the "Yellow Book." It is quite interesting reading! William "Bill" Warner, III (N8HJP) WARNER@OHIO.GOV Ohio Data Network WARNER@OHSTPY (Bitnet) 65 E State St, Suite 810 +1 614 466 6683 (Voice) Columbus, OH 43215 +1 614 466 8159 (FAX) ------------------------------ From: lar@smh336s.ucs.usl.edu (Robert, Lane A.) Subject: Re: Caller-ID Company Reply-To: lar@usl.edu (Robert, Lane A.) Organization: Univ. of SW Louisiana, Lafayette Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 20:28:11 GMT enforcer@buhub.bradley.edu (John Huffman) writes: > There is a company called International Micropower Corp. > The address is: > 3305 W. Spring Mountain Road, Suite 60 > Las Vegas, NV 89102 > They claim to be the world's only supplier of hobby kits for > Caller-ID. They come 39.95 for the kit or 45.50 for an assembled and > tested version. They also sell software and other parts for Caller-ID > boxes. They also sell books about Caller-ID data formats, waveforms, > frequencies and other things. I just bought one of their Caller-ID to RS-232 kits, so I thought that the folks here might be interested in a brief review. It was delivered in about a week by first class US-snail, just as they promised. The kit contained sparse but sufficient documentation to get it up and running, along with all necessary cables and connectors. About the only thing not provided is a box to house it. As kits go, it's not much of one as most of the parts are already surface mounted to the (about 1" x 3") board. All that was necessary to finish the assembly was to mount an audio transformer, a crystal (which oddly enough was not mentioned in the assembly instructions, but it was easy enough to figure out where it went), and wires to carry power and signals to and from the board. Even so, I'd recommend that anyone planning to purchase one of these buy it already assembled. The board is so cramped that it is difficult to get everything soldered down without accidentally burning something. It's designed to run off power derived from the receive data lead on the RS-232 port plus a nine volt battery (not included, of course :-) for a "start-up surge" at the beginning of each message. They claim that the battery will last for months, unless you have an RS-232 port that doesn't supply at least -9 volts; then the battery will have to run the whole thing and will last about 65 hours. In this case you could use a nine volt battery eliminator to run it. I'm lucky enough to have -12 volts available on my RS-232 port, so that's what I'm using. If using a battery, they also warn that turning the computer off without removing the battery will cause the battery to discharge rapidly. So far it works like a champ. It gives plenty of noise data on ringing signal and loud voices, but the lead in to the Caller-ID signal is so distinctive that it's easy to pick out from the hash. Now I just have to write some software to make intelligent use of the information it gives. Lane lar@usl.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Looking For Information on Two Mystery Modems Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 02:56:14 -0800 From: "Maxime Taksar" In article , berger%median@ux1.cso. uiuc.edu (Mike Berger) writes: > Just so nobody gets the wrong impression, I'm happy to help out when > somebody has made a little effort himself, first. But I see so many > requests for documentation which is readily available from manufacturers > that can be found with little effort. Why would anybody expect a > stranger to go to more trouble for them than they're willing to go to > for themselves? I figure this is pretty relevant, since quite a bit of the traffic on this group is requests for 'ID' of some item of equipment. I don't think, Mike, that anyone is asking you to do his research work for him. I think it's more of a 'by the way' request. I know that if *I* had some sort of unusual telecom equipment, I would ask on the net before doing serious research, mainly due to the fact that it's quite likely that someone on this group would know what it is just off-hand. This way I don't spend several hours on something that could be useless and is probably just a curiosity item for me anyway. Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS mmt@Berkeley.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 01:50:11 PST From: rlm@ms_aspen.hac.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Re: Bitnet/Internet in Scotland, and Maybe Ireland > Are there any Bitnet or Internet channels (stations?) going to > Aberdeen University in Aberdeen, Scotland? And are there any in the > Dublin (Baile Atha Cliath) area, such as to Trinity University or > University College as well as others? It would be greatly appreciated > if someone could point me in the right direction, since over here at > U. of Dayton, everyone just give me blank looks just for asking for a > directory where I could look for one. Thank you so much. You might try, for starters, the Nutshell Handbook (published by O'Reilly & Associates) _!%@:: A Directory of Electronic Mail Addressing & Networks_. It contains some interesting information about various nets hooked up to the Internet. You might want to start off by talking to walsh@irlearn.ucd.ie (Michael Walsh, University College Dublin). According to the book, his snailmail address is: Michael Walsh Computer Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4 IRELAND voice: +353 1 693244 For Aberdeen University, you might want to email the Netserver on JANET, the UK's Joint Academic NETwork, at netserv@ukacrl.bitnet with the text GET JANET SITELIST. Also, you may wish to send e-mail to jnt@rutherford.ac.uk. This information is fairly stale -- about two years old. Robert L. McMillin | Voice: (310) 568-3555 Hughes Aircraft/Hughes Training, Inc. | Fax: (310) 568-3574 Los Angeles, CA | Internet: rlm@ms_aspen.hac.com ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #176 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa27228; 28 Feb 92 3:51 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA16082 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Fri, 28 Feb 1992 01:47:04 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA21879 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Fri, 28 Feb 1992 01:46:52 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 01:46:52 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202280746.AA21879@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #177 TELECOM Digest Fri, 28 Feb 92 01:46:41 CST Volume 12 : Issue 177 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Yet Another Omaha Telemarketer Busted! (Jack Winslade) USA Direct Automated (John R. Levine) United Telecom Changes its Name to Sprint (John R. Levine) Replacement Technology For Local Loop? (Joe Jesson) NET&T Won't Tariff New 10xxx Screening (Barton F. Bruce) Telecom Conference: Call for Participation (Rick Reed) Looking For Two-Wire Handset Vendor (Dave Pascoe) ISDN - Ethernet Gateway Information Wanted (Jim Chen) Information Wanted on Cable and Telcos (Ronald R. Jarmon) Free-Phone to UK From Warsaw March 1 Only (Fred E.J. Linton) Channel Access Protocol For Mobile Communications (Chamroeun Kchao) Information/Prices/Advice Sought on "Ring Leaders" (John Kelly) Flawed N.Y. Times Article (Carl Moore) CPNI Question (Kath Mullholand) Dial-a-Friend Was Lonely (David Leibold) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 22:58:39 CST From: Jack.Winslade@ivgate.omahug.org (Jack Winslade) Subject: Yet Another Omaha Telemarketer Busted! Reply-To: jsw@drbbs.omahug.org Organization: DRBBS Technical BBS, Omaha (The time has come, the switchman said, to talk of many things. From telesleaze and fever trees, to grounds and tips and rings. ;-) According to the lead-off news story on television station WOWT in Omaha, agents from the US Postal Service and FBI seized records from National Distribution Center, a telemarketing firm located in the Millard area of southwest Omaha. According to WOWT reporters, the investigation focused on possible mail fraud violations regarding travel packages promoted by the firm. Melissa Cheatwood of the Postal Inspection Office stated on camera that the firm sold travel packages redeemable by an unnamed travel agency, and that customers found it difficult or impossible to obtain the travel services without purchasing an 'upgrade'. Postal inspectors alleged that the 'upgrades' ranged from $1200 to $1500 per person. No arrests have been made at this time, and the firm is apparently free to conduct business. WOWT's anchor stated that representatives of National Distribution Center refused to talk to them concerning the investigation. Well, that's the latest from America's Junk Call Capital. As a humorous sidebar, a Nebraska State Senator has introduced a bill to make it a crime to 'seriously annoy someone else by a course of conduct on purpose'. (From {Omaha World-Herald}, 2-27) Could that possibly make telemarketing illegal ????? Good day! JSW ------------------------------ Subject: USA Direct Automated Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 20:43:56 EST From: John R. Levine {Newsbytes} reports that AT&T has automated their USA Direct service, at least for calls from the United Kingdom. Callers now get a robot similar to the one used domestically at which you can dial the desired number and calling card number. Pulse dial callers fall through to a live operator, and do so quickly since international circuits are expensive. The price is the same whether you dial or the operator does. The report mysteriously concludes: "The representative added that it is not possible to place calls to countries other than the U.S. and Canada where the call originates outside of the U.S." Since when can AT&T handle calls from third countries to Canada? Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl ------------------------------ Subject: United Telecom Changes its Name to Sprint Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 20:47:40 EST From: John R. Levine As promised, United Telecom is changing their name to Sprint Corp., reflecting the fact that Sprint now comprises the bulk of their business. They'll use the Sprint red diamond logo and their stock symbol will change to FON. Some UT subsidiaries will change their names to match, others such as North Supply and their seven LECs won't but will add "A Sprint Company" to their names. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl ------------------------------ From: jessonj@nic.cerf.net (Joe Jesson) Subject: Replacement Technology For Local Loop? Date: 28 Feb 92 03:05:25 GMT Organization: CERFnet With all the recent interest in wireless communications, I was somewhat surprised at a recent NCR meeting. On display was an NCR WaveLAN wireless network card. No big deal, I thought, since wireless Local Area Network cards are produced by several companies using different wireless media. Radio Frequency and infrared seem to be the wireless media of choice with one limiting aspect -- coverage of one room or, at most, a single office floor. Since the WaveLAN product uses 902 - 928 MHz no-license band, I assumed the one floor 100 foot limitation. Here is the surprise; a FIVE MILE distance between transmitter-receiver!! At 2 Mbps!! Real DX for a 250 Mw Digital System ... I asked the NCR salesman to confirm this unusual claim. He said a "typical" distance in an enclosed office is 100 - 800 feet but, with an optional antenna and direct line-of-sight path, five miles IS reasonable. He did not have info on the optional antenna. I would assume, at 902 Mhz, the size of the antenna has to be small (even a directional multi-element yagi at 902 Mhz is really small). Ethernet (CSMA/CA) protocol with a low RF bit error rate of 10 exp -8 (at five miles?). Using spread spectrum and optional DES encryption, the 2 Mbps could represent a T-1 data stream with some overhead bits (2 - 1.544 Mbps) potentially as a Local Loop replacement or a no license repeater system. Since the antennas are directional and spread spectrum would allow simultaneous transmissions over the same frequency band (with an increase in noise level). There are interesting applications and security aspects for a wireless 2 Mbps, 250 Mw power, Spread Spectrum, Differential Quadrature Phase Shift Keying Modulation (DQPSK) system. Joseph E. Jesson Address1: mhs!amoco!joseph_e_jesson@attmail.com 21414 W. Honey Lane Address2: jessonj@cerf.net Lake Villa, IL, 60046 Address3: jej@chinet.chi.il.us Telephone: (day) 312-856-3645 (eve) 708-356-6817 ------------------------------ From: "Barton F. Bruce" Subject: NET&T Won't Tariff New 10xxx Screening Date: 27 Feb 92 03:34:45 EST Organization: Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc. As has been mentioned here before, AT&T went to some considerable trouble and expense to provide the software for a new kind of call screening/blocking that would vastly simplify 10xxx compliance which becomes required for many sites by March 16, a few weeks away. AT&T wanted it to be LAW that such support be offered, but failed to get their way. AT&T *** G I V E S *** this software upgrade to the LECs for their 1A, 2B, and 5ESS COs, and certainly hoped that the LECs would offer it, though probably NOT for free ... With time running out, I sent copies of an AT&T consultant liasion publication that detailed this new feature to an appropriate New England Tel manager and asked when and how (e.g. USOC code or whatever) I would be able to order this. Below is the meat of a letter to me dated Feb 24, 1992: "This letter follows up my phone message of February 3, 1992. I have reviewed the information you provided regarding the LECs obtaining software from AT&T and then offering aggregated call restriction in our Central Offices. (attachment) New England Telephone currently has no plans to offer this capability under a tariff offering. I cannot address whether other LECs will be offering this feature. I apologize for the delay in responding formally." That certainly does not rule out asking for it as 'special assembly', but that is not a route one generally wants to go. Of course with cover of the Feb 24 {Network World} having a story "AT&T's ALLEN LOBBIES Congress to shut RBHCs out of new telecom markets", one realizes some old friends aren't any more. Sadly it is the customer that gets hurt in the middle here. 10XXX compliance is LAW, and NET&T not helping with free AT&T software is no excuse for non-compliance. Actually I suppose it was purely $s. Would they make enough to cover the hassle? I bet the answer was: NO. So we didn't get it. Of course anyone writing to Washington about what they think RBOCs should or should not be allowed to do, should remember things such as this. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 1992 14:26:54-GMT Subject: Telecom Conference: Call for Participation From: rick_reed@eurokom.ie Reply-to: rick_reed@eurokom.ie SETSS 92 Call for participation. The 8th International Conference SOFTWARE ENGINEERING FOR TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEMS and SERVICES 30 March - 1st April Florence, Italy Sessions: Network Management Intelligent Networks Application Experience Service Integration Object Oriented Requirements Analysis Formal Methods Specification and Description Language Human Machine Interaction Developments This conference is well known within the telecomms industry for concentrating on issues from an engineering viewpoint. As well as the 30+ papers (chosen for more than twice as many good quality submissions) there are also discussion sessions: Information Systems and Communication Systems: IN as the melting pot. Conformance and Compliance Analysis Formal Methods Security With the current overlapping of telecommunications and information technology, the conference is now appropriate for a wider audience than the traditional telecomms industry. The change in the scope of engineering has been reflected by inclusion of Services. For further details apply: J. Gordon SETSS Conference Organiser Conference Services IEE, Savoy Place, LONDON WC2R 0BL United Kingdom Tel: +44 71 240 1871 (071 240 1871 in UK) Fax: +44 71 497 3633 (071 497 3633 in UK) Telex: 261176 IEE LDN G or email . ------------------------------ From: pascoe%rocky.dnet@gte.com (Dave Pascoe) Subject: Looking For Two-Wire Handset Vendor Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 10:17:56 EST I need to find a manufacturer of a two-wire handset, equivalent in function to a lineman's "butt set", but packaged just like a normal telephone handset. Ideally it should have an RJ-11 connector. I have had no luck in my search so any help or pointer will be appreciated. Please e-mail. Dave Pascoe pascoe@rocky.gte.com | GTE Gov't. Systems/SCSD KM3T | (617) 455-5704 ------------------------------ From: chen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Chen) Subject: ISDN - Ethernet Gateway Information Wanted Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 17:26:13 GMT Hi: I am looking for a ISDN - Ethernet gateway, any pointer and information will appreciated. Thanks. Jim Chen chen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu ------------------------------ From: rjarmon@bcm.tmc.edu (Ronald R Jarmon) Subject: Information Wanted on Cable and Telcos Date: 27 Feb 1992 17:54:01 GMT I'm looking for information on telephone companies being able to provide TV-Cable service to the homes. Could someone Help me with this. Ronald Jarmon Baylor College of Med. Internet address rjarmon@bcm.tmc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 27-FEB-1992 12:56:49.57 From: "Fred E.J. Linton" Subject: Free-Phone to UK From Warsaw March 1 Only From the bitnet list Donosy , the following tidbit, under the heading "Phone the President" (Dzwon do Prezydenta) has content of TELECOM interest: On Sunday March 1 Polish President Walesa will appear on the BBC transmission "It's Your World". From 1:00 pm Warsaw time on, on the day of the broadcast, a free direct phone line will be available for Poles at the number 0-044-08000-95-91. [In the original Polish: W niedziele 1 marca prezydent Walesa wezmie udzial w audycji BBC 'It's Your World'. W dniu emisji od godziny 13 czasu polskiego zostanie uruchomiona bezplatna linia telefoniczna dla Polakow pod numerem 0-044-08000-95-91. ] Fred E.J. Linton Wesleyan U. Math. Dept. 649 Sci. Tower Middletown, CT 06459 E-mail: ( or ) Tel.: + 1 203 776 2210 (home) or + 1 203 347 9411 x2249 (work) ------------------------------ From: cham@outlaw.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Chamroeun Kchao) Subject: Channel Access Protocol For Mobile Communications Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 18:19:22 GMT Can anyone recommend me some references (books/articles) on the channel access protocols for the mobile communication systems (such as AMPS, NAMPS, etc.)? Please response via my e-mail address. Thanks, Chamroeun Kchao TRW Electronic Systems Group R12/2043 One Space Park Redondo Beach, CA 90278 E-MAIL: cham@desperado.etdesg.trw.com PHONE: (310) 812-5840 ------------------------------ From: jckelly@netcom.com (John Kelly) Subject: Information/Prices/Advice Sught on "Ring Leaders" Date: Fri, 28 Feb 92 03:45:17 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Bell-Atlantic and Bell of Pennsylvania provide a service called identa-ring. This allows the subscriber to have up to three different phone numbers that "funnel" into the same physical phone number. Each number produces a different ring pattern on the one physical phone. A "ring leader" is a box that detects and routes the distinctive rings to different phone jacks. Bell will sell me the device for $50.00 The question are : is this a good price, are there other devices that provide better service/expandability or price/performance? Any comments or suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance. John C. Kelly Home1: jckelly@netcom.com Home2: jckelly@world.std.com DISCLAIMER: I speak for me. Only. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 12:34:39 EST From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) Subject: Flawed N.Y. Times Article I have looked at {New York Times} microfilm, and read on it an article on August 18, 1991 about the area code shortage (this starts on page 1). I know it's flawed, because in the bar chart which purports to show the five most crowded area codes, it includes: 201 in New Jersey. (Wrong, because 908 was already fully cut over by then.) 301 in Maryland. (OK, but the splits which were noted in the footnotes failed to include the upcoming 301/410.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 14:05:58 -0500 (EST) From: K_MULLHOLAND@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Kath Mullholand) Subject: CPNI Question We received a request today from New England Telephone that we "remove all CPNI (Customer Proprietary Network Information) restrictions that exist on any of our Billing Telephone Numbers." Briefly, what are the implications of agreeing to this request? Note: New Hampshire does not, at this time, offer any CLASS services. Kath Mullholand University of New Hampshire Durham, NH [Moderator's Note: I think before changing anything, I'd write telco and request a written summary of just what it is they want to have disconnected, and ask for a concise, precise answer WHY? Then show it to us please when you get their response. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 18:34:27 EST From: DLEIBOLD@VM1.YorkU.CA Subject: Dial-a-Friend Was Lonely A story from recent press mentioned the disconnection of a 900 number Dial-A-Friend after the owner, Lorraine Blum, received a grand total of one call in three months from someone inquiring about her measurements. Blum hoped that the Ft. Lauderdale-based service would be rolling in calls from people who wanted to just talk or get social service referrals at $2.99/minute. No word on what kind of publicity was done to promote this number, if any. dleibold@vm1.yorku.ca djcl@zooid.guild.org [Moderator's Note: Poor Lorraine. She must be mortified. :) PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #177 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa18479; 29 Feb 92 17:02 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA24795 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Sat, 29 Feb 1992 15:03:32 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA22209 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Sat, 29 Feb 1992 15:03:23 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Feb 1992 15:03:23 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202292103.AA22209@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #178 TELECOM Digest Sat, 29 Feb 92 15:03:19 CST Volume 12 : Issue 178 Index To This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson Re: 911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) (Tim Gorman) Re: 911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) (Andy Sherman) Re: 911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) (Paul S. Sawyer) Re: FCC Allows Cellular Phones in Airplanes (Martin McCormick) Re: FCC Allows Cellular Phones in Airplanes (Steven King) Re: Seeking Reverse Telephone Book (Mark D. Wuest) Re: Seeking Reverse Telephone Book (Keith Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Feb 92 10:26:49 EST From: tim gorman <71336.1270@CompuServe.COM> Subject: 911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) paul@unhtel.unh.edu (Paul S. Sawyer) writes in TELECOM Digest V12 #175: > It SOUNDS simple enough -- when we dial "1" now, the switch knows > whether to deliver the call to AT&T, MCI, or XYZ depending on a > predefined carrier choice; why not similar "choices" when we dial > "911"? Again, this routing is based on called number processing. If you don't dial a 10XXX code, the 10XXX code associated with your line is prepended to the called number. The call routing has nothing to do with your telephone number. > When an account is established, the Telco knows the service address; > Town lines do not often change, and the delivery point for each town > (PSAP) would not change often either; ("slamming" by rival emergency > service providers should also be minimal :-) There are about six towns > on one exchange nearby where 911 confusion is a problem, so setting up > for at MOST six emergency service providers would be like setting up > for six long distance carriers. The towns would be likely to > cooperate in ironing out bugs in a scheme like this, whereas the town > with 911 now does not want to (nor should it have to) answer calls for > the other five towns on an ongoing basis. Two points: 1) Yes, the service address is known. It just doesn't help. Again, most service order systems are set up to identify the serving central office not the PSAP. Changing this would be an expensive proposition for an admittedly small percentage of the total lines processed. 2) In the cases we have where multiple towns are served out of one central office, providing for multiple PSAP's is no problem. The towns are usually separate rate areas so we keep their routing information in the central office separate also. The problems come at the geographical boundaries of these towns. We have at least two situations where a few residents of one town are in a different county from everyone else. Since the 911 bureau's are set up by county we have a problem (just as an aside, some of these stations may actually have Rural Route identities, figure out where they are from that :-> ). > The Telco's solution here is to try to sell an overblown, statewide > E911 system which would add a level of complexity, personnel, and > expense to the existing systems here. Could this be another reason > that they deride simpler solutions? In the whole state of Kansas, I only know of two situations where this is a real problem. I doubt if more than a few hundred customers are impacted (actually I would be amazed if it were more than 100). I also assumed from the way the original posting was written that it was not a significant number of the total customers involved in that 911 bureau either (if it were, there would be enough political clout to get a resolution). I still feel the most cost effective solution in these situations, at least from the 911 bureau's viewpoint, is to provide an adequate, easily implemented inter-communication vehicle between the affected bureaus. I don't feel it would be cost effective to have the local exchange company to install an expensive, central office based solution which would raise the cost to everyone in order to handle a small percentage of the customers. If the calling number routing solution is needed as part of a comprehensive package for the entire area so easy dispatch to the various fire, police, etc. agencies can be done, then this may be a different matter. I would expect the involved parties to perform some detailed cost comparisons of the possible ways to do this. Including a central office based alternative should certainly be done but let it stand on its own merits. Tim Gorman - SWBT *opinions are mine, any resemblance to official policy is coincidence* ------------------------------ From: andys@ulysses.att.com Date: Fri, 28 Feb 92 12:01:31 EST Subject: Re: 911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Murray Hill, NJ paul@unhtel.unh.edu (Paul S. Sawyer).edu (Paul S. Sawyer) writes: [ On handling multiple 911 jurisdictions in the same CO > When an account is established, the Telco knows the service address; > Town lines do not often change, and the delivery point for each town > (PSAP) would not change often either; ("slamming" by rival emergency > service providers should also be minimal :-) There are about six towns > on one exchange nearby where 911 confusion is a problem, so setting up > for at MOST six emergency service providers would be like setting up > for six long distance carriers. The towns would be likely to > cooperate in ironing out bugs in a scheme like this, whereas the town > with 911 now does not want to (nor should it have to) answer calls for > the other five towns on an ongoing basis. Everything sounds cheap and easy on paper. Do note that you have proposed adding a bunch of information to the switch database entry for *EVERY* line in the end office, with the corresponding increase in storage capacity required to hold it. And the switch software to route 911 based on it. And the administrative software to determine the right emergency agency from the subscribers' address. Just because it is a similar problem (not the same problem) to routing dial-1 based on PIC selection does not mean that your solution will be free just because PIC is already there. I'm sure that my colleagues from Illinois (where AT&T switches are designed) as well as our friends from Northern Telecom/Bell Northern Research will be glad to confirm that there are very few trivial problems adding features to a switch. You've asserted that your solution is cheaper than E911. I doubt it. If E911 is too expensive the towns might consider regionalizing their emergency services, which would probably reduce the cost of more than just the telecommunications. Andy Sherman/AT&T Bell Laboratories/Murray Hill, NJ AUDIBLE: (908) 582-5928 READABLE: andys@ulysses.att.com or att!ulysses!andys What? Me speak for AT&T? You must be joking! ------------------------------ Subject: Re: 911 and Politics (Was Emergency Calls at Pay Phones) Date: 28 Feb 92 13:23:28 EST (Fri) From: paul@unhtel.unh.edu (Paul S. Sawyer) andys@ulysses.att.com writes: > Everything sounds cheap and easy on paper. Do note that you have > proposed adding a bunch of information to the switch database entry > for *EVERY* line in the end office, with the corresponding increase in > storage capacity required to hold it. And the switch software to > route 911 based on it. And the administrative software to determine > the right emergency agency from the subscribers' address. Just > because it is a similar problem (not the same problem) to routing > dial-1 based on PIC selection does not mean that your solution will be > free just because PIC is already there. Not "free" but reasonable to implement. Maybe something also based on cable pair, as they change end locations less than subscribers do. Also, I do not see how implementing it statewide would be simpler, since the same requirements you describe would still exist, and have to cover EVERY line in the state, rather than just those in exchanges which overlap jurisdictional boundaries. > I'm sure that my colleagues from Illinois (where AT&T switches are > designed) as well as our friends from Northern Telecom/Bell Northern > Research will be glad to confirm that there are very few trivial > problems adding features to a switch. You've asserted that your > solution is cheaper than E911. I doubt it. If E911 is too expensive > the towns might consider regionalizing their emergency services, which > would probably reduce the cost of more than just the > telecommunications. Most towns ARE operating under co-operative or regionalized emergency dispatching, and many of those dispatch centers are very efficient, but their boundaries do not coincide with the telephone exchanges! The Telephone Company (now, Companies) and everybody from William Shatner on down has done a good job of embedding "call 911" into the mind of the public at large over the last 20 years or so; most people think they have it whether they do or not. Telcos have also been active in discouraging new installations and upgrades to existing independently wired municipal fire and police signalling systems, because "there are phones everywhere." Therefore, it seems like it should be a basic feature in a modern switch, rather than an "added feature." I would like to see "when any subscriber dials 9-1-1, the call will be delivered to the PSAP previously designated by the officals of the town or municipality where the subscriber is located" as a basic requirement for the company to operate in the state. (My views on 911 are not related to my employment mentioned below.) Paul S. Sawyer - University of New Hampshire CIS - paul@unhtel.unh.edu Telecommunications and Network Services - VOX: +1 603 862 3262 Durham, New Hampshire 03824-3523 - FAX: +1 603 862 2030 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: FCC Allows Cellular Phones in Airplanes Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 16:00:45 -0600 From: martin@datacomm.ucc.okstate.edu Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) wrote: > Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to just how a cell phone in a > hot-air balloon could interfere with cellular operations? Does the > cell seize up if radio waves arrive from outside the ground plane? The question, here, is a very good one . To answer it, think of the root word of the expression "cellular telephone," that being the word "cell." Cell phones operate in a very complex network of individual little domains or cells. The frequencies used for the radio signals essentially travel in straight lines, just like light. The higher up you are, the farther you can see or be seen. Since cell phone systems are built around the belief that their users have their feet planted on the ground, their expected coverage areas are calculated based on how far the signal will go before it reaches the horizon. The engineers make the cells larger by putting the cell cite antenna up high, or smaller by putting it close to the ground. If two cells are far enough apart, they may use the same frequencies for all channels with no problems because any cell phone will either be in the coverage area of one cell or the other, but never both. If you go up in a balloon or airplane, all bets are off. In the first place, your cell phone will be able to "hear" paging channels from everywhere. It may even try to receive the paging channel from more than one location if there happen to be several on the same frequency. FM radio being what it is, one signal may briefly override another and become the dominant one for a few seconds and then be replaced by another. When you want to make a call, your output will be heard by every cell within several hundred square miles. Each switch will try to process your connect request. Assuming that you might actually make a successful connection with a switch in your coverage area, all the cells controlled by that switch will most likely see your signal and utter confusion will reign as the switch tries to make sense of it. It is also very possible that the vacant channel the switch hands you to to make the call is not vacant on one or more of the other cells. Some poor soul, out there, is going to find his or her call jammed by some stranger babbling away about how neat it is to be calling from the air. In summary, calling from an aircraft on a cellular phone isn't good manners because the system was not designed to handle transmitters with a wide coverage area. The FCC made it illegal because airborn operation produces harmful interference to the normal operation of the system. Operating from tall buildings such as the Sears Tower or World Trace Center is different because the local system was designed with such buildings in mind and allowances were made for the increased coverage. Martin McCormick Amateur Radio WB5AGZ Oklahoma State University Computer Center Data Communications Group Stillwater, OK ------------------------------ From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King) Subject: Re: FCC Allows Cellular Phones in Airplanes Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 17:10:36 GMT andrew@frip.wv.tek.com scribes: > Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to just how a cell phone in a > hot-air balloon could interfere with cellular operations? Does the > cell seize up if radio waves arrive from outside the ground plane? The problem is that from high up, you're likely to cause interference on other cells that use the same frequencies as the cell you're talking on. The name of the game in cellular is "frequency re-use", meaning systems are designed with the idea of re-using the same channels over and over across the service area. When you're on the ground, your signal is attenuated enough (by trees, hills, buildings, etc.) that you generally only hit the cell you're actually talking to and its immediate neighbors. The neighboring cells don't matter, since they're using different frequencies. However, get up high away from all that ground clutter and it's pretty likely that you'll cause interference on cells across town that use the same frequencies the local cell is using. You probably won't notice any difference, but other people may be getting dropped calls (or picking up your voice!) because of it. And then the cellular provider sees an increased dropped call rate, and they call our support center, and the software engineers blame the hardware engineers, and the systems engineers blame the base site engineers, and fingers are pointed everywhere, and I get a headache. (Well, hopefully it doesn't get that far. The cellular provider will usually recognize interference for what it is. Unless, of course, the state-wide Telecom Enthusiast Hot Air Balloon Rally is being run ... :-) Steven King, Motorola Cellular (king@rtsg.mot.com) ------------------------------ From: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.wuest) Subject: Re: Seeking Reverse Telephone Book Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 19:57:45 GMT In article AUGUST@JPLLSI.JPL.NASA.GOV (Richard B. August) writes: >> [Moderator's Note: Certainly. Try Compuserve, where the national >> reverse directory (what there is of it, non-pubs are excluded as are a >> lot of business numbers) is accessed with GO PHONEFILE. You can also >> use this file to search alphabetically all over the USA. There is a >> small surcharge in addition to normal Compuserve rates. PAT] > I'd like to take this opportunity to discourage anyone from wasting > time and money on the "National Phone Book" on CI$. It's bad enough > that you are surcharged for search-time. Multiply that by the fact > that the last time I attempted to use the service, it crashed > repeatedly, with the old surcharge timer running all the time. And I > checked on a number of family members who have *had the same phone > number for over 20 years* ... they aren't in there. Go figure. I have used it successfully (get calls that show up on my CID display, but they left no message). It *is* missing some things and isn't easy to figure out at first. The relevant point is that the local phone book isn't much help if you have the number and want the person. What if they live in Manhattan (not the one in KS)? ;-) Mark Wuest wuest@att.com ------------------------------ From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) Subject: Re: Seeking Reverse Telephone Book Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC Date: Fri, 28 Feb 92 04:04:53 GMT By "reverse" phonebook do you mean telno to name address? In that case what you desire is a "City Directory" which can be purchased from a number of sources. You can buy the directories themselves (paper bound) or you can also get complete mag tapes (9-track) and CD roms from several sources over certian geographic areas. These areas are not neccessarily near the publishers either. I have a TON of this info at my office for some telphone database reasearch I was doing to link it in with CID, but the cost for the tapes for all the areas we wanted would have been the same as paying someone to key in the phonebook. aka Digital Designs uunet!ksmith!keith GEMail: K.SMITH52 ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V12 #178 ******************************   Received: from delta.eecs.nwu.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa21987; 29 Feb 92 18:39 EST Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA28360 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist-outbound); Sat, 29 Feb 1992 16:48:12 -0600 Received: by delta.eecs.nwu.edu id AA30323 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for telecomlist); Sat, 29 Feb 1992 16:47:59 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Feb 1992 16:47:59 -0600 From: TELECOM Moderator Message-Id: <199202292247.AA30323@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> To: "\\telecom"@eecs.nwu.edu Subject: TELECOM Digest V12 #179 TELECOM Digest Sat, 29 Feb 92 16:47:55 CST Volume 12 : Issue 179 Proper Opinions In This Issue: Opinionated Censor: Patrick Townson Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground (Allen Gwinn) Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground (Dave Levenson) Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground (Peter Sleggs) Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground (Carl Moore) Re: What Areas Still Have X-Bar and SxS? (Dave Levenson) Re: What Areas Still Have X-Bar and SxS? (John Higdon) Re: 411 is Now a Profit Center in Texas (Gregg E. Woodcock) Re: Exactly What Was Carterfone? (Dave Weitzel) Re: Can't Call (201)-380 From Connecticut (203) (John R. Covert) Re: Problem With Panasonic Phone (Jerry Durand) Re: Area Code Splits and Telco Error Messages (Steve Forrette) Re: Area Code Splits and Telco Error Messages (Laurence Chiu) The History of Telecom and Patrick (David Horvath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: allen@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG (Allen Gwinn) Subject: Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground Organization: sulaco Date: Sat, 29 Feb 1992 01:16:55 GMT In article rice@ttd.teradyne.com writes: [responding to my article about a lawyer using a cellular phone on the ground, and the pilot refusing to taxi until he hung up] > Also speaking as a pilot ... cell phones operate in the 800-900mhz > spectrum. Radar Transponders operate around 1000mhz and have fairly > broad banded receivers. It's not inconcievable that the phone was > getting into the transponder. Interesting that this would be noticed while the aircraft was still on the ground. > Not to mention the fact that it's illegal to use a cell phone from > an aircraft in the air (be the aircraft commercial or private -- still > illegal). Yes, but we were talking about using it while the aircraft was still on the ground, weren't we? [Moderator's Note: Yes, the aircraft was on the ground, however the message said the crew was interested in getting started on the flight, meaning the aircraft was about to go into the air. PAT] ------------------------------ From: dave@westmark.westmark.com (Dave Levenson) Subject: Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground Date: 28 Feb 92 13:50:53 GMT Organization: Westmark, Inc., Warren, NJ, USA In article , allen@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG (Allen Gwinn) writes: > Speaking as a pilot, I have never seen a cellular phone that > interferes with any aircraft navigation equipment. My guess is that > they told him that he was interfering with communications just to get > him to hang up. According to the original post, they told him to turn off the cellular phone so that they could take off. They didn't tell him that his phone was actually causing interference. They told him that they could not take off with the phone operating. This is because the law forbids it, not because he was actually causing interference in this case. This is part of the same FAR that requires that portable radios and other 'electronic devices' not be operated aboard a flight operating under IFR unless authorized. Dave Levenson Internet: dave@westmark.com Westmark, Inc. UUCP: {uunet | rutgers | att}!westmark!dave Warren, NJ, USA Voice: 908 647 0900 Fax: 908 647 6857 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground From: peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 12:59:03 -0500 Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp., Mississauga, ONT Canada allen@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG (Allen Gwinn) writes: > Speaking as a pilot, I have never seen a cellular phone that > interferes with any aircraft navigation equipment. My guess is that > they told him that he was interfering with communications just to get > him to hang up. If the low power transmitter would really interfere with plane comm's systems I think we'll all better give up flying ;-) It is likely that this 'excuse' is used to convince users that they really should terminate the call. peters@beltrix.guild.org or torag!beltrix!peters ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 92 10:16:09 EST From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) Subject: Re: Cellular Calls From Airplanes on the Ground Last year, I made a call from a phone that was provided on-board, while flying from Philadelphia to Los Angeles. What is the dif- ference with this phone