From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Feb 16 03:36:36 2004 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.3) id i1G8aaG13270; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:36:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:36:36 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200402160836.i1G8aaG13270@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V23 #74 TELECOM Digest Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:35:00 EST Volume 23 : Issue 74 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Cell Phone Numbering Arrangments (email@crazyhat.net) Re: Cell Phone Numbering Arrangments (Jared) Re: Cell Phone Numbering Arrangments (Joseph) Re: Verizon May Hang up on Plan to Sell Phone Number (Nick Landsberg) Re: Verizon May Hang up on Plan to Sell Phone Number (Tony P.) Re: My New Blog (WebLog) (Steven J Sobol) Re: Acxiom is Watching You (Steven J Sobol) Telephones With Intercom Capability? (Timur Tabi) Re: State's New Technology Gathers Info to Find Tax Cheats (L. Hancock) Re: Lost Liberties / Outlawing Dissent (Lisa Hancock) Experts Warn of Microsoft 'Monoculture' (Monty Solomon) Friendster Frenzy Has Analysts Puzzled (Monty Solomon) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. =========================== Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Chain letters, viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk is definitely unwelcome. We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands against crime. Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cell Phone Numbering Arrangments Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:02:07 -0700 From: In message <> rob51166@yahoo.com (Rob) did ramble: > Do NANP counties use a 'standard' area-code for cellphones as > opposed to the UK (cell phone numbers begin with 07XXX) or other > countries, where different codes are required? There is typically a number of NXXs assigned for cellphones, but not a dedicated area code. This means that a caller typically has no way to know whether they are calling a cell phone, landline, VoIP phone, or anything else, unless they happen to know the NXXs of the area in question. It also makes full portability possible. When you're arguing with a fool, make sure he isn't doing the same thing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:12:25 -0700 From: jared.NospaM@netspace.net.au (jared) Subject: Re: Cell Phone Numbering Arrangments In the USA part of the NANP at least, the FCC, the American approximation to OFTEL, banned doing so. There was cell phone area code that predated the decision, I'm not sure what happened to it. A prefix isn't needed in the USA as it's not caller-pays for calls to mobiles, instead the mobile phone owner pays for the call time. Roaming is interesting too: whether the caller pays a local or long distance rate depends on the mobile phone's area code, not where it happens to be with respect to the caller. > Do NANP counties use a 'standard' area-code for cellphones as opposed > to the UK (cell phone numbers begin with 07XXX) or other countries, where > different codes are required? > Just asking! :-) > Rob ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: Cell Phone Numbering Arrangments Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:28:21 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom On 14 Feb 2004 12:51:39 -0800, rob51166@yahoo.com (Rob) wrote: > Do NANP counties use a 'standard' area-code for cellphones as opposed > to the UK (cell phone numbers begin with 07XXX) or other countries, where > different codes are required? If you mean mobile specific area codes such as T-Mobile in the UK being 07950 no. There are mobile "prefixes" but they are treated just as any other area code and prefix e.g. 206-235-XXXX or 206-229-XXXX would be T-Mobile US prefixes in Seattle, Washington and 206-669-XXXX or 206-331-XXXX would be AT&T Wireless prefixes in Seattle, Washington. As far as the normal telephone user it wouldn't make any difference. It would make a difference if you are a subscriber of a mobile carrier and you have either reduced or free mobile-to-mobile calling. Unlike in Europe and Asia calls to mobile numbers are no more expensive than calling fixed wireline numbers. remove NONO from .NONOcom to reply ------------------------------ From: Nick Landsberg Subject: Re: Verizon May Hang up on Plan to Sell Phone Number Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:22:35 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Stan wrote: > Bidders Hot for Jenny's NYC Number > Verizon may hang up on plan to sell 867-5309 > By Monty Phan > STAFF WRITER > Newsday (Long Island) > February 14, 2004 > To all Manhattan women named Jenny: He's got your number. > Combining the forces of '80s pop culture and offbeat Internet > auctions, a Manhattan man is using eBay to try to sell 212-867-5309, > the number -- sans area code -- that appears in the 1981 song > "867-5309/Jenny," by one-hit wonder Tommy Tutone. > The question is whether he has the right to sell a number at all. > That hasn't stopped bidders so far. Thanks to some Web site postings > and a mention Friday on ABC's "Good Morning America," the auction is > up to $4,050. > "I did not expect this kind of response," said John, the attorney > selling the number, who declined to give his last name to maintain > some semblance of anonymity. "I'm blown away by the fact that 'Good > Morning America' found it. Publicists spend months trying to get on > 'Good Morning America,' and I just put it up on eBay [Thursday]." > He acquired the number a few months ago after he called it and > realized no one had it. He then got the number from Verizon and has > used it as a second line, hooking it up to an answering machine. As > discovered by people over the past two decades who had their own area > code's version of the number, he gets calls throughout the week, but > "mostly on weekends, mostly from people that are drunk." Some call it > for fun, others call it without realizing it was given out as a fake > number. > But there's a question of whether the number can even be transferred > to the winner once the auction ends Feb. 22. Verizon says there's no > question: It can't. Individuals do not have ownership of the numbers > given to them, so the right to the number can't be sold, a Verizon > spokesman said. Even if the seller agreed to drop the number, there's > usually a waiting period to allow for account closure or other > reasons, so the buyer wouldn't be able to pick it up right away. > Nevertheless, those who lose out on the bidding, take heart: You could > always get the "867-5309/Jenny" ring tone. Way back when, 30 or so years ago when I was with what was then New York Tel., there was a "gentleman's agreement" between the local stations and the phone company that they would not use a dummy number on a show without first notifying the phone company and asking them for a number which would always ring busy or provide some kind of pre-recorded message, e.g. "we're sorry, the call could not be completed as dialed". The NOC had a slew of unused numbers they could quickly program for this treatment and would gladly provide it in order to prevent network congestion when the show was aired. I guess this isn't possible any more what with national TV and the unlikelihood of the same number being unassigned in every area code. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious" - A. Bloch ------------------------------ From: Tony P. Subject: Re: Verizon May Hang up on Plan to Sell Phone Number Organization: ATCC Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:59:27 GMT In article , stanncno1spam@noispam.yahoo.com says: > Bidders Hot for Jenny's NYC Number > Verizon may hang up on plan to sell 867-5309 > By Monty Phan > STAFF WRITER > Newsday (Long Island) > February 14, 2004 > To all Manhattan women named Jenny: He's got your number. > Combining the forces of '80s pop culture and offbeat Internet > auctions, a Manhattan man is using eBay to try to sell 212-867-5309, > the number -- sans area code -- that appears in the 1981 song > "867-5309/Jenny," by one-hit wonder Tommy Tutone. Interestingly enough - Gem Plumbing in Rhode Island is 401-867-5309. ------------------------------ From: Steven J Sobol Subject: Re: My New Blog (Web log) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:11:49 -0600 TELECOM Digest Editor wrote: > under the 'fair use' provisions of the copyright laws. Those of you > who follow this Digest know I rely on a very liberal interpretation of > the copyright 'fair use' provisions. > The Cornell University Law School says I am within my rights to do > this. I've no doubt I can do this, but when a newsgroup takes a total > free ride by continually using the research/writing of others > **without compensating them** it begins to get sort of brazen. I agree, and for that reason I don't have a problem with Monty Solomon continuing to post just the first paragraph or two along with a link. Of course, it'd be nice if he also posted real conversations so we could all figure out that he's not a "bot" :) JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED ------------------------------ From: Steven J Sobol Subject: Re: Acxiom is Watching You Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:14:18 -0600 Teritor wrote: > Either post the entire article or don't post at all. > I don't want to have to subscribe or watch ads to read the rest of > this! If you're not paying Salon for a subscription, they have every right to make their money in other ways. It takes quite a bit of money to run a magazine. Or do you think they should just post stuff for free for you, when they charge everyone else? Plus, there are copyright issues with posting the entire thing. If you don't want to follow the links you don't have to. I don't always read all of the articles that Monty posts links to. JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED ------------------------------ From: nospam_timur@tabi.org (Timur Tabi) Subject: Telephones With Intercom Capability? Date: 15 Feb 2004 16:50:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Do telephones with intercom capabilities exist? What I would like to do is replace all of the phones in my house with new phones that have an intercom capability. For example, I press the "intercom" button on my phone, and my voice is broadcast too all other phones in the house. Each phone jack in my house is wired with Cat5 cable, so I can support up to four phone lines at each jack. I would expect this "intercom phone" to use one of the extra pairs for the intercom capability. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yes, and in fact you can make your own intercom from a telephone pair quite easily. Radio Shack has the kind of phone you need as well as many other suppliers. PAT] ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) Subject: Re: State's New Technology Gathers Information to Find Tax Cheats Date: 15 Feb 2004 21:43:32 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Monty Solomon wrote: > If you get the urge to fudge a bit on your taxes this year because you > think, "Who's going to notice?" think again. The state Revenue > Department is watching. The agency has launched a technology offensive > with the goal of pulling together stray bits of information about > every Massachusetts taxpayer, searching for clues that would indicate > who isn't paying the taxes they owe. This isn't anything new. Most states interface with the Federal IRS to compare notes. Most sources of income submit that data to the tax people. ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) Subject: Re: Lost Liberties / Outlawing dissent Date: 15 Feb 2004 21:48:27 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Monty Solomon wrote: > Feb. 11, 2004 | The undercover cop introduced herself to the activists > from the Colorado Coalition Against the War in Iraq as Chris Hoffman, > but her real name was Chris Hurley. Last March, she arrived at a > nonviolence training session in Denver... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ... She said she was willing to get arrested for the cause of > peace. In fact, she did get arrested. She was just never charged. The > activists she protested with wouldn't find out why for months. I found this post rather disturbing, but not for what you'd think. As the article makes clear, the protestors were planning to do something that was _illegal_. Thus, they were planning to commit a criminal act. That is not peaceable protest; that is crime. Activists defend their criminal activity on the grounds that their message is so important it "justifies" the crime and disruption. > Chris Hurley was just one of many cops all over the country who went > undercover to spy on antiwar protesters last year. Nonviolent antiwar > groups in Fresno, Calif., Grand Rapids, Mich., and Albuquerque, N.M., > have all been infiltrated or surveilled by undercover police > officers. Shortly after the Buckley protest, the Boulder group was > infiltrated a second time, by another pair of police posing as an > activist couple. > Meanwhile, protesters arrested at antiwar demonstrations in New York > last spring were extensively questioned about their political > associations, and their answers were entered into databases. And last > week, a federal prosecutor in Des Moines, Iowa, obtained a subpoena > demanding that Drake University turn over records from an antiwar > conference called "Stop the Occupation! Bring the Iowa Guard Home!" > that the school's chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, a civil > libertarian legal group, hosted on Nov. 15 of last year, the day > before a protest at the Iowa National Guard headquarters. Among the > information the government sought was the names of the leaders of the > Drake University Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, its records > dating back to January of 2002, and the names of everyone who > attended the "Stop the Occupation!" conference. Four antiwar > activists also received subpoenas in the investigation. > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/02/11/cointelpro/ > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That's really nothing new. Back in the > sixties and seventies, Chicago Police had an active 'red squad' whose > job it was (besides gassing and beating up war protestors and others) > was to spy and infiltrate churches and other peaceable gatherings of > citizens. I wonder why Salon thinks this is somehow a new story. PAT] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And that legal theory, of a 'greater good' has been upheld occassionally now and then in courts. If someone is in the process (or imminitly about to commit an illegal action, and no police officer is around to stop the act, then if a citizen can stop the act he should. Then it rightly becomes a matter for the courts to straighten out, but now and then the citizen intervenor has been found innocent of what he did, because of a 'greater good'. Taken in the context of what went on in this case, police did not handle it very well. In any event, the police traditionally over-react in the matter. They could announce their presence at a meeting rather than go 'undercover' and encourage people to commit the 'crimes'. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:40:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Experts Warn of Microsoft 'Monoculture' By JUSTIN POPE AP Business Writer CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) -- Dan Geer lost his job, but gained his audience. The very idea that got the computer security expert fired has sparked serious debate in information technology. The idea, borrowed from biology, is that Microsoft Corp. has nurtured a software "monoculture" that threatens global computer security. Geer and others believe Microsoft's software is so dangerously pervasive that a virus capable of exploiting even a single flaw in its operating systems could wreak havoc. Just this past week, Microsoft warned customers about security problems that independent experts called among the most serious yet disclosed. Network administrators could only hope users would download the latest patch. After he argued in a paper published last fall that the monoculture amplifies online threats, Geer was fired by security firm (at)stake Inc., which has had Microsoft as a major client. Geer insists there's been a silver lining to his dismissal. Once it got discussed on Slashdot.org and other online forums, the debate about Microsoft's ubiquity gained in prominence. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=40607715 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:43:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Friendster Frrenzy Has Analysts Puzzled By Lisa Baertlein SAN FRANCISCO, Feb 15 (Reuters) - Unlike the companion-seeking hipsters that people its Web site, Friendster has had no trouble making friends -- especially among venture capitalists. But when it comes to business, surely friendship has its limits -- or does it? Analysts are scratching their heads and puzzling over how Friendster -- and the other so-called social e-networking companies that have emerged as the upstart Internet success story of the past year -- can make money. Friendster, which is known as a dating site that hooks up friends of friends, last year pulled in $13 million in venture capital -- a significant amount considering the tough climate for new venture funding. Business-oriented Spoke and LinkedIn picked up $20.5 million and $4.7 million respectively. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=40606640 ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, Yahoo Groups, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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