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TELECOM Digest Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:55:00 EDT Volume 26 : Issue 74
Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson
Millions Miss Out on Internet Boom (Peter Griffiths, Reuters)
Google Aims to Bolster Privacy of Web Surfer Data (Eric Auchard, Reuters)
Microsoft to Acquire Tellme Networks (Monty Solomon)
CommunicationsDirect News Daily Update (communicationsdirect_daily)
Nokia, Siemens Set Opening Date For Joint Venture (USTelecom dailyLead)
Re: What Does Vonage Do Now??? (Flatus Ohlfahrt)
Re: Reverse 911 (Rick Merrill)
Re: Feds (Taxpayers) to Subsidize Digitial -> Analog TV Box (Rick Merrill)
Telephone Rate Complaints Not New (Lisa Hancock)
Re: Troubles With Computers' Daylight Shift (Ozzy Kopec)
Re: Troubles With Computers' Daylight Shift (Steven J. Sobol)
Re: Speaking About Daylight Saving Time (jmeissen@aracnet.com)
Re: Not So Fast, Broadband Providers Tell Big Users (Henry)
Re: Old Interurbans (Henry)
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:29:01 -0500
From: Peter Griffiths, Reuters <reuters@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Millions Miss Out on Internet Boom
By Peter Griffiths
Young people, wealthy families and graduates use the Internet more
than the elderly, poor or unqualified, according to a report that
highlights Britain's growing "digital divide."
Internet access is directly linked to people's age, income and
education, the Office for National Statistics said in a major survey of
the use of computers, cellphones and digital television.
While most young people regularly access the Web, more than half of
those aged 50 or over have not used a computer in the last three
months.
One in 12 British households has no access to the Internet, a
cellphone or digital TV, according to the report "Focus on the Digital
Age," published on Thursday.
Nine out of 10 of the highest-earning households have Internet access,
compared to less than 20 percent for those on the lowest incomes.
Graduates were four times more likely to use the Internet regularly than
those with no qualifications, the study found.
The number of families with home Internet access shot up to 55 percent
in 2005-06 from just one in 10 in 1998-99, although the growth rate
has eased.
Digital TV has seen an even greater rise. Nearly two-thirds of houses
have digital, satellite or cable receivers, compared to a fifth a
decade ago.
The proportion of adults using the Internet declines with age. Only 15
percent of those aged 65 and over visit Web sites.
However, the number of people aged between 55 and 64 going online rose
to 52 percent by April 2006 from 30 percent in 2001-02.
The most common reasons given by older people for not using the
Internet were a lack of interest or confidence; having no computer;
seeing no benefits in the Web and cost.
Others said they relied on someone else to access the Web for them.
The report said a government campaign has made the Internet available
to those without computers at most libraries and at online centers and
some post offices.
The boundaries between computers, phones and televisions have been
blurred by technological advances, the report said.
Many cellphones can access the Internet and send e-mail and some
televisions allow people to surf the net or play games.
The report is at http://www.statistics.gov.uk/focuson/digitalage/ .
Copyright 2007 Reuters Limited.
NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the
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[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A young man (well, 38 years old;
younger than myself!) who is assigned to come over here to my
house every day and look after me is in a difficult position, where
internet is concerned. He has epilepsy, mostly under control, but
he _cannot_ use internet at all; viewing the screen sets off his
epileptic siezures. Apparently it's the pixels which are too close
together; makes it very difficult for him to use computers for that
reason. Raymond asks me to help him look up data through Google and
elsewhere while he stands to the side and avoids looking at the
screen for more than a minute or two at a time. He has had epilepsy
since he was born, and I have to feel very sorry for him as a result.
But he _can_ watch television, apparently the pixels on the screen
are different. PAT]
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:31:53 -0500
From: Eric Auchard, Reuters <reuters@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Google Aims to Bolster Privacy of Web Surfer Data
By Eric Auchard
Google Inc., faced with a mountain of data on its users' Web search
habits, is taking steps to bolster consumer privacy protections in
coming months, the company said late on Wednesday.
The world's leading provider of Web search said it is taking steps to
anonymize, or obscure details, after 18 to 24 months on the surfing
habits of tens of millions of Web users that could potentially be used
to identify individuals.
The Mountain View, California-based company collects information on Web
searches, such as the keyword queries, Internet addresses and "cookies"
used by Web sites and advertisers, to track Web surfing habits.
The company stores data in massive computer data centers in various
locations around the world.
"Previously, we kept this data for as long as it was useful," Google
officials said in statement to be made public on Thursday but provided
to reporters on Wednesday.
"Unless we're legally required to retain log data for longer, we will
anonymize our server logs after a limited period of time."
Server log data are the endless files of words and numbers that
computer administrators use to manage and track Web site activity.
Google plans to implement the policy within the next year, it said.
In order to keep Google search as easy and convenient to Web surfers as
they repeatedly return to Google's search site, the company said it is
necessary to keep limited personal details that tie a user to a computer
so that Google's computers can tailor the search to the user's interests.
In promising to make these mounds of personal data anonymous after a
period of up to two years, the company is responding to fears expressed
by privacy advocates and some government regulators in the United States
and Europe at the privacy dangers if such data were ever publicly exposed.
"By anonymizing our server logs after 18-24 months, we think we're
striking the right balance between two goals: continuing to improve
Google's services for you, while providing more transparency and
certainty about our retention practices," the Google statement said.
Google also said it was taking additional steps to design privacy
protections into Google products.
These include an "off the record" feature in its Google Talk instant
message system making it easier for users to temporarily disable the
automatic archiving of conversations, and a "pause" feature in its
Google Desktop software, which scours the contents of a user's computer
to make it easier to search for documents or other information.
Google cautioned that data retention laws in some national or regional
jurisdictions could obligate Google to retain Web server logs at some
point in the future.
It also noted that some personalized services Google offers, such as a
"search history" -- a computerized memory of your surfing habits --
are based on users voluntarily allowing Google to retain data.
Copyright 2007 Reuters Limited.
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:31:04 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Microsoft to Acquire Tellme Networks
Combined expertise will bring the power of voice technology to everyday life.
REDMOND, Wash. - March 14, 2007 - Microsoft Corp. today announced it
will acquire Tellme Networks, Inc., a leading provider of voice
services for everyday life, including nationwide directory assistance,
enterprise customer service and voice-enabled mobile search. Microsoft
and Tellme share a vision around the potential of speech as a way to
enable access to information, locate other people and enhance business
processes, any time and from any device. Combining Tellme's talented
people and expertise in high-volume voice services with Microsoft's
platform, resources and worldwide customer reach will inspire new and
innovative solutions.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/mar07/03-14PowerOfSpeechPR.mspx
------------------------------
Subject: CommunicationsDirect News Daily Update - March 15, 2007
From: communicationsdirect_daily <communicationsdirect@communicationsdirec.com>
Reply-To: communicationsdirect_daily-owner@communicationsdirectnews.com
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:52:10 EDT
********************************
PricewaterhouseCoopers Presents
The CommunicationsDirect Daily Update
For March 15, 2007
********************************
Wireless Added to Co-Branded Vonage-Motorola Router
http://communicationsdirectnews.com/do.php/150/23263?11228
Motorola has announced that it has struck a deal with VoIP
service provider Vonage to build in the VoIP service for a
co-branded wireless router. The VT2542 internet phone adapter and
wireless router has class-of-service features that prioritise
voice over data to maintain voice quality while other demands are
being made on network ...
TelecomTactics Survey 2006: Telecom Manufacturers Round Out System Portfolios
http://communicationsdirectnews.com/do.php/120/23260?11228
A look back at business telephony system introductions in 2006
indicates that leading telecommunications manufacturers are
rounding out their telephony system portfolios and focusing on
growing businesses. Very small offices, mid-size enterprises and
larger businesses with multiple sites all intend to grow and
profit, and thus, require a ...
Nokia, Siemens Say Their Joint Venture to Start Operations April 1
http://communicationsdirectnews.com/do.php/120/23258?11228
FRANKFURT, Germany -- Nokia Corp. and Siemens AG said that their
50-50 joint venture will start operating on its own at the start
of April as it competes with industry leader Ericsson AB. The
companies said the venture -- made up of the Finnish cell phone
maker's network business group and Siemens' carrier-related ...
EU Telecoms Ministers Reach Informal Agreement on Setting Limit
on Roaming Charges
http://communicationsdirectnews.com/do.php/120/23256?11228
HANOVER, Germany -- European Union telecommunications
ministers agreed on a plan to cut mobile phone roaming fees at a
meeting today, a spokesperson for EU Telecoms Commissioner
Viviane Reding said. Ministers from the 27 EU nations met at the
yearly CeBIT technology trade show in Hanover. The spokesperson
said they reached ...
Seven Steps to Safer WiFi
http://communicationsdirectnews.com/do.php/140/23254?11228
We've all done it: You need quick access to email, so you jump on
that free WiFi connection at the local coffee shop, the airport, or a
conference hotel. What are the chances you'll get hacked, anyway?
Think again. If you use unsecured WiFi in the clear, without
any encryption or security, you're asking for it. Your ...
Mobile Data Gains Momentum
http://communicationsdirectnews.com/do.php/120/23251?11228
European mobile data service revenues are growing faster and
sooner than expected, according to two new analyst reports, which
point to the introduction of flat-rate pricing as the main
catalyst for growth. Financial analysts have been looking for
signs of improvement from European mobile data revenues for the
past year, and in the ...
Share Shortfall Forces Ericsson To Extend Tandberg Tender
http://communicationsdirectnews.com/do.php/130/23248?11228
Ericsson's surprise $1.39 billion tender for Tandberg Television
expired last night without the demanded 90 percent of Tandberg
Television shares having been tendered -- although it did get a
majority -- forcing it to extend the offer until Friday. If it
doesn't get the needed 90 percent by then, Ericsson says, it may
...
EU Wants One Mobile TV Standard
http://communicationsdirectnews.com/do.php/130/23244?11228
European Commissioner for Information Society and Media Viviane
Reding called upon the European telecommunications industry to
speed up its efforts to agree on a single technology platform for
delivering mobile television. As it stands, the Digital Video
Broadcasting for Handhelds technology, or DVB-H, standard has
seen limited ...
Your feedback on our e-letter is always welcome. Send email to:
CommunicationsDirect Editor <telecom_direct_editor@us.pwc.com>
Copyright (C) 2007 PricewaterhouseCoopers.
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:06:34 CDT
From: USTelecom dailyLead <ustelecom@dailylead.com>
Subject: Nokia, Siemens Set Opening Date For Joint Venture
USTelecom dailyLead
March 15, 2007
http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/gsoYfDtusXoajKCibuddrcVc
TODAY'S HEADLINES
NEWS OF THE DAY
* Nokia, Siemens set opening date for joint venture
BUSINESS & INDUSTRY WATCH
* Hutchison Essar to be renamed Vodafone Essar
* Ericsson eyes multimedia with IP-messaging firm buy
* SureWest attracts more broadband business
* Disney, T-Com connect on VOD deal
* Amdocs inks upgrade deal with French telecom
* Microsoft buys Tellme
TECHNOLOGY TRENDS
* Motorola unveils wireless router for Vonage customers
* Will Apple TV kill the 30-second spot?
* Broadcom, Qualcomm forge patent settlement
REGULATORY & LEGISLATIVE
* FCC commissioners appear before House telecom panel
Follow the link below to read quick summaries of these stories and others.
http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/gsoYfDtusXoajKCibuddrcVc
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From: Flatus Ohlfahrt <flatus@TricareForLife.US>
Subject: Re: What Does Vonage Do Now???
Date: 14 Mar 2007 19:57:24 GMT
Organization: Sometimes
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:53:52 GMT, FreedomFireCom wrote in
news:telecom26.73.3@telecom-digest.org:
> Is that the sound of the other foot dropping on Vonage?
I had Vonage for a couple of years and was really pleased with
them. But, as soon as the fiasco with the IPO started unfolding, I
jumped ship. There was no way I wanted my carefully guarded phone
number going down with their ship.
Flatus
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:07:27 -0400
From: Rick Merrill <rick0.merrill@NOSPAM.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Reverse 911
mc wrote:
>>>>> and it was an "amber alert" about a missing boy in our town.
> Why would they expect people sitting at home in their residences to
> know the location of a missing child?
First, they only notify people within a few miles of the "last seen"
location. Secondly, it is only at the behist of the police department.
Thirdly, ours is a rural community and someone might just have seen a
kid walking or biking on the street.
> Is there enough likelihood of success that it justifies disturbing
> thousands or tens of thousands of people?
> I'm in favor of locating missing children, but these "Amber alerts"
> may have gotten out of hand.
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Around here, the cable company runs a
> ticker strip message for missing children. Actually, the city of
> Independence has that built into the cableco franchise agreement: a
> channel for the high school and college's use (channel 22); a channel
> for the city itself (channel 14), and an 'all-purpose' general channel
> for anyone to use (channel 10). And the police dispatchers can 'flip a
> switch' and take over _all_ channels on a moment's notice for things
> like tornado warnings, missing children, crimes in progress, etc. The
> city insisted that these channels all be in the 'free, basic' part of
> the spectrum so that everyone would be able to listen to them, with or
> without payment for the premium channels (which they refer to as
> 'basic extended' (channels 25 and upward). Normally, they content
> themselves with putting stuff on channel 14, only going elsewhere when
> a dire emergency requires it, for example, the tornado spotted about a
> week ago, or about a year ago when the girl from Independence High
> School turned up 'missing' (which turned out to be a hoax). PAT]
Yes! I run the local cable access TV and want to do exactly that!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:03:56 -0400
From: Rick Merrill <rick0.merrill@NOSPAM.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Feds (Taxpayers) to Subsidize Digitial -> Analog TV Boxes
Danny Burstein wrote:
> ( no word in the press release as to how much power these will
> use. And they'll still badly mangle any attempt at recording.)
> " ... WASHINGTON, D.C.
> The Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and
> Information Administration (NTIA) announced today the final rule for
> the Digital-to-Analog Converter Box Coupon Program (coupon program)
> designed to help consumers continue receiving free, over-the-air
> television when full-power television stations cease analog
> broadcasting after February 17, 2009, as authorized in the Digital
> Television Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005 (the Act). ... "
> Starting Jan. 1, 2008, all U.S. households will be eligible to request
> up to two $40 coupons to be used toward the purchase of up to two,
> digital-to-analog converter boxes ... ... rest, including
> clickthroughs to the technical announcement:
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/press/2007/DTVfinalrule_031207.htm
Thanks for the interesting tip.
Now how much will the box cost???
_____________________________________________________
> Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
> dannyb@panix.com
> [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
Mmm? Doesn't look encoded to me!-)
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: 'Double rot-13 encoded' is simply a
joke. Actually, I have been thinking about 'double rot-13 encoding'
this entire Digest each day. I presume Danny will explain how it
has cut down on the spam which is dumped on him each day! :) PAT]
------------------------------
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Subject: Telephone Rate Complaints Not New
Date: 15 Mar 2007 10:40:15 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Complaints that telephone rates are too high are nothing new.
The New York Times of 11/29/1910 has an article about complaints over
charges for calls between Manhattan and Brooklyn or Queens. At that
time a local call within Manhattan or to the Bronx was 5 cents, but
calls to Brooklyn or Queens were 10 cents. The people in Brooklyn and
Queens felt they should be charged the same as calls to the Bronx.
The phone company countered that its rate of return for those areas
was too low.
Note that 5 cents back then is roughly $2.25 today. I believe in
those days all calls were charged.
At that time about 8% of the people in NYC had a phone, the highest in
the country.
Also, exactly 100 years ago the NYT had an article that a family used
the telephone to call police which helped catch burglars breaking into
their house. The article said "a message was flashed to the patromen
on the beat". I don't know if cops had corner call boxes back then to
check in and get directives. Until radios were in widespread use by
the 1960s, cops had to use such corner boxes. Cities maintained their
own phone system.
On 8/18/1903 the NYT reported that the NYC police dept will rent
telephone service for 661 police call boxes on the streets for $20,800
per year. The phone company will maintain the system.
So as early as 1903 there were such boxes.
An article in 1907 reported of a wireless device to summon policeman
tested in San Francisco. If a patrolman was needed, a radio signal
would reach a receiver in his helmet and would ring a bell in his
pocket. He would then call in for instructions. There seemed to be a
great deal of doubt whether this device actually worked; it does seem
to be beyond the state of the radio art of 1907. But it's interesting
that they were thinking of the function of pagers 100 years ago.
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The earliest radio for police operated
on the standard broadcast band; I think they were one-way talk out to
officers and were on 1620 KC, where officers could be given direct
instructions over the air without them having to call in for details.
PAT]
------------------------------
From: Duh_OZ <ozzy.kopec@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Troubles With Computers' Daylight Shift
Date: 15 Mar 2007 13:20:09 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
On Mar 13, 12:09 am, Brian Bergstein, AP Technology <a...@telecom-
digest.org> wrote:
> Few woes mark computers' daylight shift
> By BRIAN BERGSTEIN, AP Technology Writer
> Mon Mar 12, 4:27 PM ET
>
> This weekend's early switch to daylight-saving time was billed as a
> little re-enactment of the Y2K computer problem at the turn of the
> millennium. And as it happened, the daylight bug appeared to have
> equally minor results.
<stuff snipped>
Where I work the "big brother" machines (XP) didn't switch to DST so I
figured I would wait a few days to see if they would do anything to
resolve the issue. Gave up today and gave them a buzz and was told
to leave the machines on overnight for the patch to be applied. Then
I was told "hold on a sec" and then it would be done within 30
minutes, then I was yet again told "to hold on a sec" and was informed
that a tech had to come down and do it manually. Only 3 computers in
my area, wonder what they are doing with the other 4,000 or so
scattered across Chicago LOL.
And before you ask -- no, we aren't allowed to change the computers
time -- us lowly users weren't assigned the rights to do so.
------------------------------
From: Steven J. Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
Subject: Re: Troubles With Computers' Daylight Shift
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:27:08 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com
In article <telecom26.73.6@telecom-digest.org>, Add Homonym wrote:
> If only it were that simple.
Simpler, actually, grab TZEDIT.EXE from the Win2k resource kit, or
there's a Microsoft knowledge base article that has a link to download
it; run the program, tell it that DST for your timezone starts the
second Sunday in March and ends the first Sunday in November - those
are the new extended start and end times.
Then go to the Time/Date control panel, switch to a timezone that
isn't yours, then switch back. Bingo.
> What do you propose one do about re-occurring outlook appointments?
> (they will all be off if you do as above)
Microsoft also has a utility that will do this for you. Obviously,
back up your Outlook data first.
Required to correct Outlook 2000, XP and 2003 calendar entries. Not
required for 2007 but recommended anyhow as it fixes some other stuff
(I forget what).
Granted, things are probably different when an Exchange server is
involved. Thank $DEITY, I don't have to deal with Exchange anymore,
just standalone Outlook installs.
Pat, that issue you had with PuTTY is weird. I run PuTTY at work and
at home, and updated a few computers with it installed, and had no
trouble. You're running a current or recent version, right?
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am running a version of Windows 2000
which is fully up to date with security patches as issued by
Microsoft. The trouble, I suspect, is the NetTime 2.0b7 software
running in there also. I use my Win 2000 machine as a 'server' for the
other computers here in this room (another Win 2000 and a Win 98 and a
laptop Win 98). I trusted NetTime since it is Open Source software and
Open Source generally is well documented and easy to handle. And my
puTTY stopped working because as far as it was concerned, I was
tampering with the time manually, and puTTY considers that some sort
of security issue. PAT]
------------------------------
From: jmeissen@aracnet.com
Subject: Re: Speaking About Daylight Saving Time
Date: 15 Mar 2007 06:35:11 GMT
Organization: Aracnet Internet Services
In article <telecom26.73.5@telecom-digest.org>, <ranck@vt.edu> wrote:
> Now you can buy an electric clock that syncs up to WWVB fairly
> inexpensively ($30 or so) and WWVB's digital signal has a DST
> bit that is set/unset when the changes occur. The clock I have
> does wind itself forward 1 hour in the Spring, and 11 hours in
> the Fall.
Ha! I bought two of those before the last change, and this time they
didn't change! Frankly, I don't see why not. I reset the power to them
and let them re-sync to WWV and they set themselves to the wrong time.
I'm amazed by the failure. The tf.nist.gov website has an very nice
description of the signal they put out. The time is encoded in 60 bits,
with one bit transmitted per second. The DST status is encoded in the
last two bits. All the clocks have to do is monitor those bits to tell
whether to add an hour. Instead it looks like they actually hard-coded a
comparison to the date, which would be doing it the hard way.
John Meissen jmeissen@aracnet.com
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That is where I am at. My one
'sure-proof' time device here is my LaCrosse Technology wristwatch,
which does it as you say, from the WWV(B) signal, but even it was
a bit sluggish getting to me on Sunday. My watch was exactly
correct (except for being off one hour) on Sunday because I somehow
lost the WWV signal. (The only time/condition under which I am
_almost_ always guarenteed to receive it is in the early morning
hours, with the wristwatch setting on the window sill in my back
bedroom which faces west). I foolishly removed the battery from the
watch in an effort to get it to reset correctly on Sunday morning.
The watch just blinked at me all day until about 2 AM Monday morning
when it captured the signal. PAT]
------------------------------
Subject: Re: Not So Fast, Broadband Providers Tell Big Users
From: henry999@eircom.net (Henry)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:20:33 +0200
Organization: Saunalahti Customer
Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote:
> Firms impose limits even as demand rises
> By Carolyn Y. Johnson, Globe Staff | March 12, 2007
> ... But when [Lee] asked what the download limit was, she was told
> there was no limit, that she was just downloading too much.
This is just Kafka-esque.
Cheers,
Henry
------------------------------
Subject: Re: Old Interurbans
From: henry999@eircom.net (Henry)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:26:26 +0200
Organization: Saunalahti Customer
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Another excellent interurban line for
> many years was the Chicago, South Shore and South Bend Railroad
> (the electric orange train which ran between Randolph Street in
> downtown Chicago and South Bend, Indiana.
What about the 'North Shore' that ran from Chicago to Milwaukee? I
know it ran in the '40s, and probably into the '50s, but when it
closed I'm not sure.
Cheers,
Henry
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The Chicago, North Shore and Milwaukee
Railroad went out of business in January, 1963, and their station in
Skokie was my _old_ Greyhound Station, which the Gryhound Agency
started renting about that same time. CTA's 'Skokie Swift' ran on the
old North Shore tracks. Unlike the South Shore, which ran on its own
tracks to 115th Street then switched to ICRR right of way, North Shore
had its own right of way all the way to Wilson Avenue (the old, very
decrepit 'Uptown Station' (which was theirs) and it is at that point
(just beyond Wilson Avenue) that the right of way changes from above
ground stilts (like an elevated train) to grade level. CTA property
south of Wilson Avenue (or actually, CTA's predecessor company, the
Chicago Rapid Transit Company until City of Chicago nationalized
[they called it 'municipalized']) the whole thing and gave it to the
newly formed CTA (in 1947). North Shore kept their stations in good
repair also until they closed in 1963. That was the end of any
maintainence or upkeep for any of those stations, including Skokie,
which in 1947 was still the Village of Niles Center, IL. PAT]
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