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The Telecom Digest for April 03, 2011
Volume 30 : Issue 85 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones?(Gary)
Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones?(AJB Consulting)
Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones?(Lisa or Jeff)
Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones?(Gary)
Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones?(Sam Spade)
Re: Label for PoE-powered device?(Doug McIntyre)
CO technology query -- line cards(David Lesher)
Re: CO technology query -- line cards(Howard Eisenhauer)
Re: CO technology query -- line cards(AJB Consulting)
Re: No-Call List Enforcement In USA: Dead or Dying?(Scott Dorsey)
Re: bye, bye T-Mobile(tlvp)
VeriZon/C&P to Retire/Replace One of Its Three Remaining 1AESS Switches(Mark J. Cuccia)

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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:49:48 -0400 From: "Gary" <bogus-email@hotmail.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones? Message-ID: <in5ob3$nr1$1@dont-email.me> "AJB Consulting" wrote in message news:000a01cbf06f$e2a98e30$01fea8c0@dell8100... > >So does the FiOS ONT support rotary-dial phones? That is the million >dollar question, and the only way to answer it is to get your mitts on >the manufacturer's documentation for the ONT. There's one other way; experimentation! I've got FiOS with a Tellabs ONT on the wall. I've got a 500 set in a box. I took the 500 set out of the box, plugged it into one of my phone jacks. Guess what? I got dial tone and was able to actually dial the phone. In other words, it worked. -Gary
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:31:23 -0400 From: "AJB Consulting" <ajbcs@frontier.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones? Message-ID: <000501cbf142$a8875c90$01fea8c0@dell8100> Gary, that is way too easy. ;) Actually, I am not surprised a bit - Tellabs is an "old-school" Telecom company. I would not be surprised if the Alcatel/Lucent ONT's also support pulse dialing. Verizon has been looking to an all-fiber network for some time, and they probably want the option of serving every customer in some areas with FiOS, including the ubiquitous "little old lady with the same phone she has had [rented] since 1955." Jim ************************************************** Speaking from a secure undisclosed location.
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa or Jeff <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones? Message-ID: <e2b88b2c-7ce5-4565-9253-ba3bd5746b31@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com> On Apr 1, 7:49 pm, "Gary" <bogus-em...@hotmail.com> wrote: > There's one other way; experimentation! I've got FiOS with a Tellabs > ONT on the wall. I've got a 500 set in a box. I took the 500 set out > of the box, plugged it into one of my phone jacks. Guess what? I got > dial tone and was able to actually dial the phone. In other words, > it worked. Thanks for trying this out. A question if I may about FIOS service. Have you ever had a power failure, and if so, did you lose your FIOS service due to the battery going out (or some other reason)? I know people with FIOS who had a long power outage after a winter storm and lost their phone service.
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:45:38 -0400 From: "Gary" <bogus-email@hotmail.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones? Message-ID: <in85ea$uov$1@dont-email.me> "Lisa or Jeff" wrote in message news:e2b88b2c-7ce5-4565-9253-ba3bd5746b31@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com... > > A question if I may about FIOS service. Have you ever had a power > failure, and if so, did you lose your FIOS service due to the battery > going out (or some other reason)? I know people with FIOS who had a > long power outage after a winter storm and lost their phone service. I'm happy to answer questions (and ask them too :-). That's why I still hang around this dusty old corner of the internet. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I can't directly answer your question as I haven't had any power outages longer than a few minutes in the last decade. I did think seriously about this before switching from POTS/DSL to FiOS two years ago, and decided that since my electric is rather reliable and that I've got cell phones for a backup, I could deal with a longer power outage. That said, I did also add a small UPS to power the router and ONT in the event of an outage. When the ONT looses power, it switches to it's internal backup battery. It cuts off internet and video after a few minutes of no power to save the battery for voice. The ONTs are designed to provide 8 hours of voice service from battery backup. With my setup, I get a some time with both internet (laptops have batteries) and phone service before the UPS cuts out. Since most everything has gone paperless these days, having internet access is key to finding phone numbers to call to report outages. I suppose I should write these numbers down in case I need them in an outage, but I'd probably loose the sheet of paper and the numbers might be out of date. My ONT also has an external 12 DC power input. Some folks have connected big deep cycle batteries to these to provide extended run time. I've no idea if they keep internet running. Of course, you'd still need a UPS for the router and any other network gear. And don't forget that whatever backup power you provide at your home is only as good as the backup power in the network. With POTS, I've had outages caused by battery failure at the remote terminal that serves my development. At least with FiOS the network power problem is pushed back to the CO, but who knows how much money Verizon is putting into keeping backup power in good condition these days. -Gary ***** Moderator's Note ***** AFAIK, FiOS terminates the "fiber" portion of the path at a local CEV, and the physical layer is Coaxial cable from there to the homes. That, at least, is the way my sister's FiOS install happened, and I don't think the CEV equipment is powered from the CO. That means that FiOS is subject to the same limits as any SLC-served POTS line. FWIW. YMMV. My 2. Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:44:24 -0700 From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Does FiOS support rotary phones? Message-ID: <ieednfIAyck0FwrQnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com> Gary wrote: > "AJB Consulting" wrote in message > news:000a01cbf06f$e2a98e30$01fea8c0@dell8100... > >> >> So does the FiOS ONT support rotary-dial phones? That is the million >> dollar question, and the only way to answer it is to get your mitts on >> the manufacturer's documentation for the ONT. > > > There's one other way; experimentation! I've got FiOS with a Tellabs > ONT on the wall. I've got a 500 set in a box. I took the 500 set out > of the box, plugged it into one of my phone jacks. Guess what? I got > dial tone and was able to actually dial the phone. In other words, it > worked. > > -Gary > I just tried an old DP phone on my Vonage service. It works fine. My guess is that most adapters support DP.
Date: 02 Apr 2011 13:40:28 GMT From: Doug McIntyre <merlyn@geeks.org> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Label for PoE-powered device? Message-ID: <4d97274c$0$87582$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net> RonTheGuy <not@null.invalid.telecom-digest.org> writes: >What do manufacturers put on their product label for power input >specification on a product powered by PoE? Give the max voltage as 57V >DC? Show a spec for current? Anything else? Usually nothing? I've got PoE phones, access-points, and IP cameras all deployed. Not a one would have any specific label of their PoE power requirements. Their data sheets list what they use for power. PoE being fairly modern, actually negotiates what the power requirements are, and you can dump out from the PoE enabled switches (usually) how much power each device is utilizing. If the PoE switch doesn't have enough power left over to power what the device is asking for, it won't give it to them, and you'd get an alert on the switch for it.
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 06:30:13 +0000 (UTC) From: David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: CO technology query -- line cards Message-ID: <in6fpl$mo8$1@reader1.panix.com> A little {retired} bird flew by and told us that instead of needing a separate DSLAM in any CO or SLC offering ADSL; there is now a line card that will do either 4 POTS lines/slot, or 1 POTS+DSL. My query is: Does anyone know the manufacturer/model number of this card? It's likely that only a craft person working with same would know, but hey, I bet some of them read this newsgroup... We ask because various lower-level folks at a RBOC {guess which} insist it does not exist; and there's no way to have ADLS sans outboard DSLAM. I guess they are afraid they might have [to] provision ADSL if people could order it. If you don't want to be public; send the moderator or me a note from a throwaway address. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 ***** Moderator's Note ***** If anyone wants to send me an email which is Not For Publication, PLEASE put the glyph "[nfp]" (no quotes) in your subject line instead of "[telecom]". BTW, posts which you intend to be anonymous should have "[anonymous]" instead of telecom in the subject, and if you want me to obfuscate your email address to prevent harvesting by spambots, use "[obfuscate]" (no quotes). Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:02:51 -0300 From: Howard Eisenhauer <howarde@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: CO technology query -- line cards Message-ID: <c2pep6ttparof6mqlj40gftar4qrvhpkc2@4ax.com> What kind of CO are you on? Lucent/Alcatel? Nortel? Ericsson? It may well be that one vendor has this beasty but others don't. H. On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 06:30:13 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote: >A little {retired} bird flew by and told us that instead of >needing a separate DSLAM in any CO or SLC offering ADSL; there >is now a line card that will do either 4 POTS lines/slot, or >1 POTS+DSL. > >My query is: Does anyone know the manufacturer/model number of >this card? It's likely that only a craft person working with same >would know, but hey, I bet some of them read this newsgroup... > >We ask because various lower-level folks at a RBOC {guess which} >insist it does not exist; and there's no way to have ADLS sans >outboard DSLAM. I guess they are afraid they might have [to] >provision ADSL if people could order it. > >If you don't want to be public; send the moderator or me a note >from a throwaway address. ***** Moderator's Note ***** A. It disrupts the normal top-to-bottom flow of a written communication. Q. Why is top-posting bad? Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:09:17 -0400 From: "AJB Consulting" <ajbcs@frontier.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: CO technology query -- line cards Message-ID: <000501cbf147$f3206670$01fea8c0@dell8100> Are they talking about a replacement line card for an existing CO switch, such as a DMS or ESS? Or, were they talking about straight off-the-shelf cards of either 200/400 mechanics or 239 mechanics? Or, were thay talking about completely integrated systems like those made by Zyxel, Adit, etc. The possibilities are endless, the variables many... Jim ************************************************** Speaking from a secure undisclosed location.
Date: 2 Apr 2011 12:12:56 -0400 From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: No-Call List Enforcement In USA: Dead or Dying? Message-ID: <in7hu8$lnn$1@panix2.panix.com> Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com> wrote: >Pete Cresswell wrote: >> Since reading this http://tinyurl.com/qhvwrr , I suspect that a >> fix will be forthcoming within a year or two max. >> >> My hope is that said fix doesn't involve something that costs too >> much for us peons. >> >If you believe he is doing anything other than grandstanding...well, >enjoy. The FTC doesn't have the staff to change anything. Neither the FTC nor the FCC have the staff to do anything at all any more. This is due to Congress. Congress can change it. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:17:19 -0400 From: tlvp <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: bye, bye T-Mobile Message-ID: <op.vtbma5u0itl47o@acer250.gateway.2wire.net> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:58:21 -0400, Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> wrote: > ... T-Mobile USA traces its roots back to Pacific Northwest Cellular and > Western Wireless. Western Wireless spun off VoiceStream. ... And one of the T-Mobile Customer Care phone numbers is still the old Western Wireless number 1-800-937-8997 = 1-800-WEST-WYR :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark J. Cuccia" <markjcuccia@yahoo.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: VeriZon/C&P to Retire/Replace One of Its Three Remaining 1AESS Switches Message-ID: <954443.87104.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> VeriZon/C&P to Retire/Replace One of Its Three Remaining 1AESS Switches Over the past few years, the at&t-ILEC website of network/technical disclosures has indicated several of its remaining 1AESS switches being replaced with digital or packet switches. But there are still several remaining 1As of at&t-ILEC, including four of Ameritech (two in Michigan Bell, two in Illinois Bell in Chicago), several of BellSouth (both Southern Bell in the Atlanta GA metro area and in Florida -- both Jacksonville and southeast FL, and South Central Bell with one in Nashville TN, a few in Birmingham AL, two in Shreveport LA and the two switches here in Lafayette LA), and several of Southwestern Bell (in the St.Louis MO area, and also scattered about Texas. There are NO more 1AESS switches remaining of at&t/Pacific Bell (California) or Nevada Bell, nor any other states of Ameritech (other than the two each in Illinois and Michigan). at&t/SNET in Connecticut also has no remaining 1AESS offices. Qwest/US-West (now part of CenturyLink) retired its last 1AESS almost ten years ago. Cincinnati Bell has no remaining 1As. Bell Canada actually did have small handful of Northern Electric licensed 1ESS offices in the late 1960s in the Montreal PQ and Toronto ON area. But Canada really went with Northern's SP-1 development until the Northern Telecom DMS line of digital switches became popular. As far as I know, all SP(x) switches in Canada (and the US) have been replaced with digital (or packet) switches. And in addition to the remaining 1As of at&t-ILEC (Michigan Bell, Illinois Bell, Southwestern Bell, South Central Bell, Southern Bell), VeriZon still has three remaining 1As. All three are in Bell Atlantic C&P territory. There are no remaining VZ-owned 1As in any legacy NYNEX BOCs nor in any other Bell Atlantic BOCs. And when VeriZon sold off NET&T ME/NH/VT to FairPoint in 2007/08, and C&P-West Virginia to Frontier in 2009/10, there were no remaining 1As in those states. VeriZon/ Bell Atlantic/ C&P-Virginia still has ONE remaining 1A in Richmond VA, and ONE remaining 1A in Norfolk VA. AND... VZ/BA/C&P has ONE remaining 1AESS in Baltimore MD, which is scheduled to be retired during 4Q/2011 (later this year). Yesterday, Friday 01-April-2011, VeriZon released a new "Network Disclosure" (ND11-0026, and dated the same date), indicating that their legacy C&P-Md. "Edmondson Ave" 1AESS c.o.switch in Baltimore MD, BLTMMDEDCG0 will be retired and replaced around 01-October-2011. http://www22.verizon.com/regulatory/pdf/ND11-0026.pdf The document mentions that "all traffic" being sent to this Baltimore MD 1AESS switch will need to be migrated over to the (Genband) CS-2000 (packet) c.o.switch in Annapolis MD, ANNPMDANPS0. The document doesn't specifically reference "Genband" or "packet", but Genband is the company that took over much of Nortel's products (following Nortel's bankruptcy/demise), and is also the manufacturer of the CS-2000 "packet" central office switch. Also, I was curious about Baltimore MD customers being served out of a switch in Annapolis MD. There is NO (basic) local/EAS between the two ratecenters. And Annapolis MD is about as far away from Baltimore MD as both Annapolis MD and Baltimore MD are each located from Washington DC! The document states that "traffic" for Baltimore's "Edmondson Avenue" 1A will need to be migrated to this (packet) switch in Annapolis MD (ANNPMDANPS0). But with a "packet" switch or "soft-switch", one could be served for dial-tone purposes from a c.o.switch much further away than with previous technologies. Anyhow, the document does finally reference a "remote" packet switch CLLI associated with Baltimore "Edmondson Ave", BLTMMDEDRP0, which does seem like it could be the actual new packet switch that will takeover actual provision of dial-tone to customers previously served by the Baltimore "Edmondson Avenue" 1AESS (BLTMMDEDCG0). The (legacy/default) 410-NXX codes associated with Baltimore MD's "Edmondson Avenue" central office include: 410-233, 410-362, 410-566, 410-624, 410-945, 410-947 (NOTE that ALL of Maryland was originally NPA 301, until the 301/410 split of 1991/92; and then 443 overlaid 410 in 1997) Of course, individual customers with these 410-NXX codes could have ported out of VZ' Edmondson Avenue switch to a CLEC or wireless provider, or customers in the vicinity served by VZ' Edmondson Avenue switch could have ported AWAY from other CLECs to VeriZon (C&P) and are now served out of VZ' Edmondson Ave have but have different 410-NXX codes (or even 443-NXX codes) which were originally assigned to them by the CLEC that those customers were originally served by. I don't know the history of "Edmonson Avenue", but Baltimore MD was originally a Panel/#1XB metro area when it first went dial, adding #5XB (and then 1/1AESS) in later years. The other two remaining 1AESS switches of VZ/BA/C&P (Virginia) are: RCMDVAHLCG0, Richmond VA "Hull Street" 804-230, 804-231, 804-232, 804-233, 804-291, 804-319 (legacy/default) (NOTE that ALL of Virginia was originally NPA 703, until the 703/804 split of 1973) NRFLVAGSCG0, Norfolk VA (Zone 02), "Granby Street" 757-480, 757-531, 757-583, 757-587, 757-588 (legacy/default) (NOTE that ALL of Virginia was originally NPA 703, until the 703/804 split of 1973; and then there was the 804/757 split of 1996/97) Again, I don't know the history of Richmond VA "Hull Street" nor Norfolk VA "Granby Street", but neither of these towns ever had any Panel/#1XB. Both started off their dial service with SXS, adding #5XB (and then 1/1AESS) in later years. Richmond VA did have a "BEacon" exchange name back in the old days, but I don't know if this was a 2L-5N era name for "Hull Street" central office, or if "BEacon" was maybe some earlier 2L-4N name for some other Richmond VA area c.o. switch? I haven't found out if Norfolk VA ever had a possible 2L-5N name for 58x or "Granby Street". Anyhow, after Baltimore MD "Edmonson Avenue" BLTMMDEDCG0 1AESS is replaced with the Genband Remote Packet switch BLTMMDEDRP0 (hosted by the Genband CS-2000 Packet switch ANNPMDANPS0 in Annapolis MD), VeriZon will still have (only) TWO remaining 1AESS offices, both of them in legacy Bell Atlantic/C&P-Virginia (Richmond "Hull Street" and Norfolk Zn.02 "Granby Street"). at&t's ILECs (Ameritech/Michigan Bell, Ameritech/Illinois Bell, BellSouth/Southern Bell, BellSouth/South Central Bell, and SBC/ Southwestern Bell) will still have some 50 remaining 1As in service, as mentioned earlier. I don't know what at&t-ILECs' timetable is for replacing these remaining 1As with digital or packet switches, but at&t/SBC/BellSouth/etc. has indeed been slowly but steadily replacing their remaining 1AESS switches with digital and packet switches since the 1990s-era. Qwest/US-West (now part of CenturyLink), Cincinnati Bell, and Bell Canada have NO remaining 1ESS or 1AESS c.o.switches. Nor do the sold-off areas that were once part of VZ/BA (C&P-WV sold to Frontier) or VZ/BA/NYNEX (NET&T in ME/NH/VT sold to FairPoint) -- these states were already 100% digital when VeriZon sold off these legacy BOC states a few years ago. Mark J. Cuccia markjcuccia at yahoo dot com Lafayette LA, formerly of New Orleans LA pre-Katrina
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