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The Telecom Digest for July 28, 2011
Volume 30 : Issue 187 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: Google Search problems(John Mayson)
Re: Google Search problems(Bill Horne)
Re: Google Search problems(Paul)
Re: Google Search problems(Thad Floryan)
Absolute minimum Facebook exposure?(AES)
Re: Google Search problems(Matt Simpson)
Re: Google Search problems(David Lesher)

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Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:57:51 -0500 From: John Mayson <john@mayson.us> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Google Search problems Message-ID: <CALtjCnKv4KNtWt5JpLY2AA5Z7bi8+xO0ar+gAYr=iPfs5LndqQ@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote: > > Why? > > You have EVERYTHING about you here http://www.mayson.us/ so why > do you want to perpetuate Zuckerberg's company which, by the way, > is referred to as Fecebook in many forums and groups I frequent. > That name was coined by a [female] member of the Yahoo linux group > of which I'm one of the moderators. :-) Pragmatism. > All of the "social" sites are money magnets for their owners due to > the advertising which is becoming almost obscene and extremely > obnoxious in addition to being a vector for malware which inflicted > even the New York Times whose ads are offsite-hosted. I know. I never joined Friendster. After getting sick of hearing about it and how I needed to be on it, I created an account on MySpace which I quickly deleted without doing anything with. Then suddenly everything was Facebook! Facebook! Facebook! Many of my friends and family were on it and I kept getting pressure to join. I finally did. It was good to hear from people I hadn't talked to in many years. I have been careful what I put up on the site. However I'm also well aware that insurance companies, marketing firms, tax offices, etc. know all about me already. The idealist in me wants to kill my Facebook account. The realist in me knows it wouldn't do much good in a practical sense. I have all but "ghosted" my Facebook account. It's there. People can find me. But I rarely interact with it. > I don't see ANY ads, anytime or anywhere, when I browse the web with > thanks to my merger of the two free well-researched databases here: > > http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm as of 23-J UL-2011 > and > http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ as of 21-JUL-2011 > > both of which are updated frequently. > > The /etc/hosts trick works on every system in the world: BSD, Linux, > MacOS, UNIX (AIX, HPUX, SLES, Solaris, et al), and Windows (Win98SE, > Win2K, WinXP, Vista and Win7). And, yes, Windows is POSIX-compliant > and has an "etc/hosts" file here: C:/Windows/System32/drivers/etc/ > and, yes, the "/" does work correctly in the "DOS" Command Prompt > of Windows systems. I'm quite familiar with /etc/hosts. I used to be militant about that file. I had it loaded with "bad" hostnames on my RedHat system at home, my Win2k system at work, and even my Zaurus PDA. Since then I'm moved on to Mac OS X (home), XP (work), and Android (phone) and just haven't bothered with it. But since you made it so easy for me. Hmmm.. ;-) > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > Why do YOU moderate a group on Yahoo? Isn't it more pure to have > everything on Usenet? > > Bill, with his tongue firmly in his cheeck. Bah! We should be exchanging text files on 5.25" floppies. In short: I really believe in the ideals promoted by people like Richard Stallman and organizations like the FSF and GNU. But I also understand not everyone on the planet has the skills or resources to run their own web or email servers. If an individual is comfortable with exchanging some personal information for a free email service or presence on the web, that's fine. I think it's more productive to inform the general public exactly what they're giving up so they can mitigate it than to sit in an ivory tower in Cambridge, MA without giving the average computer user a viable alternative. John -- John Mayson <john@mayson.us> Austin, Texas, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:06:56 -0400 From: Bill Horne <bill@QRMhorne.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Google Search problems Message-ID: <20110727120656.GC27667@telecom.csail.mit.edu> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:57:51AM -0500, John Mayson wrote: > > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > > > Why do YOU moderate a group on Yahoo? Isn't it more pure to have > > everything on Usenet? > > > > Bill, with his tongue firmly in his cheeck. > > Bah! We should be exchanging text files on 5.25" floppies. > > In short: I really believe in the ideals promoted by people like > Richard Stallman and organizations like the FSF and GNU. But I also > understand not everyone on the planet has the skills or resources to > run their own web or email servers. If an individual is comfortable > with exchanging some personal information for a free email service or > presence on the web, that's fine. I think it's more productive to > inform the general public exactly what they're giving up so they can > mitigate it than to sit in an ivory tower in Cambridge, MA without > giving the average computer user a viable alternative. > > John > > -- > John Mayson <john@mayson.us> > Austin, Texas, USA I'll crank up my old H-89 if you have any hard-sectored floppies to trade: they're the kind with a hole at the start of every sector, not just one at the start of the disk MBR. No, that's a lie: my H-89 went to electronic heaven years ago, replaced by a Zenith Z-150 that I built from the kit. It was a classic PC clone, but it worked OK, even though it used MS-DOS. I sold it to a couple who wanted to have a computer, back when that was a status symbol, and I sweatened the deal by throwing in a dot-matrix printer made by a company that had just gone out of business. The Z-150 was replaced by a 386, which IIRC I built around a motherboard I got from the MIT flea market, and that was replaced by a motherboard I got from my sister, who worked at Intel back then. (Trust me: the Intel employee discount isn't all that it's cracked up to be). That 486 is long gone, and last week I bought the first "store bought" computer I've ever owned, a Lenovo laptop that performs adequately, even though it runs MS-Windoze. I like the simple keyboard layout and the fact that the screen is visible in daylight. The moral of the story is that things always change, and the early days of the Internet are gone and will never come back. It's tempting - trust me, I know - to take the attitude "I crawled under the barbed wire to get here, and by Ghod YOU will crawl under the barbed wire, too!". It doesn't work. Children use Facebook because they want to, and I build the H-89 because I wanted to, and there's nothing you or I will ever be able to do that will change what the Internet's users want or do not want. That's life. Bill -- Bill Horne (Filter QRM for direct replies)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:08:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul <pssawyer@comcast.net.INVALID> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Google Search problems Message-ID: <Xns9F2F7B7276948Senex@88.198.244.100> Bill Horne <bill@QRMhorne.net> wrote in news:20110727120656.GC27667@telecom.csail.mit.edu: > I'll crank up my old H-89 if you have any hard-sectored floppies > to trade: they're the kind with a hole at the start of every > sector, not just one at the start of the disk MBR. > > No, that's a lie: my H-89 went to electronic heaven years ago, > replaced by a Zenith Z-150 that I built from the kit. It was a > classic PC clone, but it worked OK, even though it used MS-DOS. I > sold it to a couple who wanted to have a computer, back when that > was a status symbol, and I sweatened the deal by throwing in a > dot-matrix printer made by a company that had just gone out of > business. I think I have an H-89 somewhere in the basement, which I last used as a dumb terminal for e-mail and Usenet. If you know anyone who wants it.... It's not the only piece of obsolete electronics down there - I should get a tuit and bring it all to a Flea one of these days... but that would mean getting organized, something I had thought would be easier now that I am retired. -- Paul ***** Moderator's Note ***** Tell us where you are: I'll bet there is a Heathnik out there who will take it off your hands. As for flea markets, you'll never get what it's worth. Epay, for all it's faults, is a seller's platform. Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:23:43 -0700 From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Google Search problems Message-ID: <4E2F4C7F.2000108@thadlabs.com> On 7/25/2011 7:04 PM, Thad Floryan wrote: > [...] > You have EVERYTHING about you here http://www.mayson.us/ so why > do you want to perpetuate Zuckerberg's company which, by the way, > is referred to as Fecebook in many forums and groups I frequent. > That name was coined by a [female] member of the Yahoo linux group > of which I'm one of the moderators. :-) > [...] > ***** Moderator's Note ***** > > Why do YOU moderate a group on Yahoo? Isn't it more pure to have > everything on Usenet? > > Bill, with his tongue firmly in his cheeck. "Tongue firmly in his cheeck (sic)" noted. :-) Several of the [now Yahoo] groups were founded in the 1990s and I'm not those groups' owner. Consider the linux group list: - From 1993 to 1999 the group's submission address was linux@onelist.com. The group really didn't "take off" until 1998 with about 1000 messages that year. - Then it was snatched up by Egroups in 2000 and this linux@egroups.com became the group's submission address. - Yahoo acquired Egroups in 2001 and the new submission address became linux@yahoogroups.com For the curious, the linux group archives are public (not too common for Yahoo groups): http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/linux/messages Initiating new groups on Usenet is becoming dicey due to many ISPs dropping their news services. Even Duke U, where Usenet began, ceased its Usenet operations on May 20, 2010 per: http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2010/05/usenet.html Many of the Usenet groups I used to frequent have turned into cesspools of antisocial and vulgar behavior -- we don't have that problem with Yahoogroups. GoogleGroups is useful only for searching the original Usenet archives prior to Google's acquisition. I frequently cite this URL in some other groups (it's one of my postings to sci.math in October 1988, long before Google existed): http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/msg/d6c891302914fd84 Thad
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:27:17 -0700 From: AES <siegman@stanford.edu> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Absolute minimum Facebook exposure? Message-ID: <siegman-D866ED.12271727072011@bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu> I guess Facebook is a valid "Telecom" topic, since it seems to be (maybe along with Google) one of the major users of telecom resources and telecom activity by individuals at the present time. If so, could any knowledgeable Facebook user tell me offhand: What is the _absolute minimum_ amount of personal information that a prospective Facebook joiner has to give to Facebook to join up and register? And what is the absolute minimum amount of information that can then be conveyed to anyone else as a result of my acquiring a Facebook page? [I'm hoping that I can supply nothing but a name and an email address to Facebook; display nothing but a name and a link to my university web page on my Facebook page; and have Facebook itself not transmit any of these bits of information -- particular the email address -- to anyone further. Is this a realistic possibility?]
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:05:53 -0400 From: Matt Simpson <net-news69@jmatt.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Google Search problems Message-ID: <net-news69-6E4576.12055326072011@news.toast.net> In article <CALtjCnKOxHfc2-8ihHg09DqNi1eOCY3ZQpkRbzPiO=2Q+2-YaQ@mail.gmail.com>, John Mayson <john@mayson.us> wrote: > I forget where I read this recently. I might have been from the Free > Software Foundation website. Those of us with Facebook accounts are > not Facebook's customers. We're Facebook's products. The paid > advertisers are Facebook's customers. More succinctly, I forget where I read this, but it was probably here. "If you're not paying for it, you're the product". Certainly applicable to Facebook, but also to a multitude of other services.
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:51:40 +0000 (UTC) From: David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Google Search problems Message-ID: <j0o5gs$ii3$1@reader1.panix.com> John Mayson <john@mayson.us> writes: >> The CEO of the Clear Channel radio network recently said "We're not >> in the music or entertainment business. We're in the advertising >> business." >I forget where I read this recently. I might have been from the Free >Software Foundation website. Those of us with Facebook accounts are >not Facebook's customers. We're Facebook's products. The paid >advertisers are Facebook's customers. >Think about that for a moment. I think it was FCC Commissioner Nicholas Johnson, appointed by LBJ, who said ~"Television is a company selling a product to its customers. The customers are the advertisers, and the product being sold are the viewers..." -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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