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The Telecom Digest for December 21, 2011
Volume 30 : Issue 325 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Dear Internet: It's No Longer OK to Not Know How Congress Works (Bill Horne)
Fwd: net.ham-radio from 30 years ago (Bill Horne)
Re: Fwd: net.ham-radio from 30 years ago (John Levine)
Re: Voice mail auto delete (Joseph Singer)

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:44:22 -0500 From: Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Dear Internet: It's No Longer OK to Not Know How Congress Works Message-ID: <jcql28$329$1@dont-email.me> On 12/19/2011 10:11 PM, Bill Horne wrote: > Here's an opinion from Joshua Kopstein at MotherBoard, concerning the > Stop Online Piracy Act. > > > .. Since its introduction, SOPA and its Senate twin PROTECT-IP have > been staunchly condemned by countless engineers, technologists and > lawyers intimately familiar with the inner functioning of the > internet(1). Completely beside the fact that these bills as they > currently stand would stifle free speech and potentially cripple > legitimate businesses by giving corporations extrajudicial censorial > powers, they have found an even more insidious threat: The method of > DNS filtering proposed to block supposed infringing sites opens up > enormous security holes that threaten the stability of the internet > itself. > > > http://motherboard.vice.com/2011/12/16/dear-congress-it-s-no-longer-ok-to-not-know-how-the-internet-works > > > 1. > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/internet-inventors-warn-against-sopa-and-pipa > Clay Johnson of The Information Diet replied to Joshua Kopstein's original post about the ignorance of the US Congress by telling the Internet to smarten up itself. http://www.informationdiet.com/blog/read/dear-internet-its-no-longer-ok-to-not-know-how-congress-works- Bill -- Bill Horne (Remove QRM from my address to write to me directly)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:04:09 -0500 From: Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Fwd: net.ham-radio from 30 years ago Message-ID: <jcqm7b$bc4$1@dont-email.me> I crossposted this from rec.radio.amateur.moderated. My thanks to Paul Schleck. Bill -------- Original Message -------- Subject: net.ham-radio from 30 years ago Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:46:12 EST From: Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@oasis.novia.net>" Organization: Novia Internetworking, http://www.novia.net/ Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 There is a web-site that is replaying Usenet from exactly 30 years ago (currently late 1981). The site is: http://www.olduse.net The old-style VT/ANSI terminal interface is a nice touch. I don't recognize the software it is emulating. It's not rn, for example. Is it readnews? It appears to closely resemble the Elm mail client. If you prefer to use your own newsreader, the site also supports an NNTP server at: nntp.olduse.net I checked out net.ham-radio. The only user name I recognized was Phil Karn, KA9Q (though I did recognize references to non-Usenet third parties like Dr. Tom Clark, W3IWI, and King Hussein of Jordan, JY1). At that point, if you were on Usenet, you either had a UUCP (dialup, Unix-to-Unix Copy) connection, or were at a University or military site. Even the user who was relaying ARRL bulletins was receiving them manually on a fixed schedule via HF radioteletype, capturing the text on an early Heathkit PC, and uploading the text to the newsgroup. There were a lot of references to "read this magazine" or "read this newsletter" for more detailed information external to the newsgroup. The World-Wide Web would not invented until over a decade later, and dial-up UUCP links did not support easy file retrieval. Even if you had a direct TCP/IP link to the larger Internet, so-called "anonymous FTP" sites like Simtel20 at the White Sands Missile Range were not as information-rich as websites today, and their contents were not keyword indexed. As recently as the early 90's, I recall some users like KA9Q even going down to the FCC reading room on M Street in Washington DC to read hardcopy comments on petitions. The ARRL may have had a cable address, and like any other office could receive telegrams, but I believe that 1981 predates any E-mail presence for the League, even via CompuServe or MCIMail. The arrl.org domain wasn't even set up until the early 90's. This is a far cry from today, where amateur radio organizations have web sites with huge on-line databases of information, multiple departments reachable via E-mail down to the specific person, and their bulletins are automatically relayed to the rec.radio.* newsgroups when they are received over a broadband TCP/IP connection via E-mail directly from the sources. - -- 73, Paul W. Schleck, K3FU pschleck@novia.net http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/ Finger pschleck@novia.net for PGP Public Key iD8DBQFO77Cj6Pj0az779o4RAihjAJ4q4Ugwc3BBFnwO3Uq5YnFKgxsO2wCeOFSb YwlNOEk7hk5TuNpKZ0YYVrE= =KBpX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Date: 21 Dec 2011 00:32:14 -0000 From: "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Fwd: net.ham-radio from 30 years ago Message-ID: <20111221003214.12834.qmail@joyce.lan> > > http://www.olduse.net > > >The old-style VT/ANSI terminal interface is a nice touch. I don't >recognize the software it is emulating. It's not rn, for example. Is >it readnews? It appears to closely resemble the Elm mail client. No, that's notesfiles, which looked nicer but had some internal limitations compared to software that used native news formats. When I visited the site, the first thing it showed was a message that I personally posted to net.unix-wizards 30 years ago. Yow. R's, John
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:58:09 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Singer <joeofseattle@yahoo.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Voice mail auto delete Message-ID: <1324414689.69581.YahooMailClassic@web161506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:04:41 +1100 David Clayton wrote: > One thing which arose this week was in regard to an issue with > "hacking" the private voice mail of a person to listen to their > messages, specifically in regards to a missing person who's voice > mail quota was full and rejecting new messages only to suddenly > accept messages in the middle of the police investigation and > misleading the police as to whether this person was actually still > alive. > The upshot was that when it was eventually discovered that the voice > mail was hacked, the people doing the hacking were blamed for > deleting the messages and therefore causing many other issues (apart > from illegally accessing the voice mail). > Now it is claimed that the voice mail messages would be deleted > automatically and therefore the "hackers" were not responsible for > the message deletions, but my understanding is that only played > messages would be auto-deleted, not the unheard ones, but this could > also vary with each network. > If in this particular circumstance the played messages were > subsequently auto-deleted to make space for new ones, then those > doing the hacking were still responsible. > Does anyone know what the current methods/rules are for the various > voice mail services in use around the world? I can only speak for the way T-Mobile (USA) with their Comverse voicemail system works. Unopened voicemails on the system will be deleted after 14 days. Opened or saved messages will not be deleted. If the mailbox is full of course it won't accept any more messages.
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